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    Mbryson's hairdresser I Lean's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiseroutfit View Post
    You know I think the boys on Mud said it best "Backwoodsgoon is like poison ivy... the more attention you pay to it the worse it gets.". I just read through the thread that got you banned over there, amazingly you were told the exact same things as here?? Not just by some random forum members either, some of the biggest names in the Cruiser world lol, you tried to tell an automotive engineer how a bearing works, then you try and pass off the same bearing info here. Man you are dense.
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    I would pay money to see what the crew on Pirate had to say about him and why he ended up getting banned. I'm sure it was quite entertaining!

    This thread is cool I love the incoherent rambling that goopman constantly produces--its truly amazing. RME needs this once in awhile imo


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    Quote Originally Posted by I Lean View Post
    Link?
    http://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wa...lubricant.html

    Pretty much make a bunch of claims, gets proven wrong on most of them and then came here

    I guess the more lively threads got axed.

    They seemed to get a kick out of this brilliant one:

    Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop
    No the spindle hub is machined out for the lube to travel from the knuckle to the wheel bearings .they do in fact share the same fluid. How is it possible that you are confused on this subject? I cant believe it


    LOL
    Last edited by cruiseroutfit; 09-22-2009 at 10:04 PM.
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    So is this guy selling a product that is actually available to purchase? Who makes it and why is he so worried about who buys it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop View Post
    crusier outfitter the spindle hub is machined out with an oil groove to allow lube to flow through and lubricate much like an extension housing bushing in an automatic transmission,
    this is simply just how it is, in all of the hundreds of enclosed knuckles that you have repaired .... you never noticed this!
    Again, your wrong!

    There is a spindle-birf bushing that rides on the shouldered portion of the birfield. Again FSM manual says to lightly GREASE and assemble. It does NOT run the length of the spindle. Had Toyota wanted them to share the same fluid, these lubrication grooves could have run the entire length. Instead they end abruptly. When the birf is riding snugly against this spindle, the grooves on the face and the grooves on the inner bore would never allow much grease to pass through. I am very familiar with this bushing as its a part we stock on the shelf and I have swapped quite a few of them over the years.

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    Now on the other end of the spindle, you'll notice the lack of machined out oil grooves and in fact the rough machining they left there actually would inhibit a transfer of fluid.

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    So where is this machined oil groove you speak of??

    Add the spindle nuts, lock washer, thrust washer and bearing and you can see by the time the hub is added there would be very little room for any supposed fluid transfer. So then it would have to move through the bearing, through the gap in the middle (not Toyota wants full of grease) and lube the bearing on the opposite side?? Your theory is completely bunk... starting with the lack of machined grooves in the spindle and ending with the fact that anything viscous would just work its way out the bottom of the knuckle and therefor drain the wheel bearings and hub.

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    On top of that the AISIN (ASCO) hub does not have any seals on it to keep the fluid in either. It has a very thin paper gasket along a narrow surface of the dial body, its not even enough to keep water out over extended periods let along keep everything inside.

    THIS IS SIMPLY HOW IT IS

    Honestly who do you want to believe, the person that wants you to keep buying his lube or the guy that uses the everlasting backwoodsgoop in his own rigs.[/QUOTE]

    I don't sell any form of an axle lube so regardless of what lube gets used, my products stay the same. However there is a reason its been everyone against you on every forum you've spammed... you are wrong and you are misleading others. Every suggestion and comment you've made is fueled by your motive to sell your product. You've been wrong about the grease scale, the wheel bearing service interval, the existence of a Toyota knuckle centering too, the presence of 'oil grooves' in the spindle to name a few. Yet you continue to dig yourself a hole and expose your inexperience and dull wit.

    Quote Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop View Post
    The ones that get MY kids to school and keeps MY buisness running. The stuff I can say I know works and has been tested for years with no side effects and no wear for the miles its been. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but try it for your self get some proof your right and then...
    Do you own a Toyota? Why do you keep comparing all the other vehicles you work on to the design of a Toyota. You've admitted you have worked on one Toyota solid front axle and it was a customer of yours. So why do you bolster the fact with fake results and those from vehicles that have nothing to do with the Toyota design. A design which you are clueless about by your own statements over and over.

    Quote Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop View Post
    Dont stop now though keep giving me your constructive input and we can make the consumer #1. thank you
    My input. Quit acting like you know what your talking about
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    i just got done with a 150 mile desert race, using my 1985 TOYOTA axle, and thats after countless trips to little moab, moab and other trails, and the delta crawl, this summer. I also KNOW my axle housing is bent (due to my abusive nature on parts). last time i rebuilt my axle i rebuilt it the way i always do, which is the way kurt(cruiseroutfit) taught me how to when i was 16, and guess what.??. no leaks. thanks kurt. i will gladly post pics up tonight when i get my usb cable back from sami
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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiseroutfit View Post
    My input. Quit acting like you know what your talking about
    Kurt goes in for the kill... Hiiiiiya Backwoodsgoop!



    BTW.. Nice form Kurt.. I gotta say though, maybe abit more of the 'i told you so you moron' look on the face when you go in for the final kick-to-da-face..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Oh my god... I think I hear the Band!
    Perfect!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Oh my god... I think I hear the Band!
    That'll be good, he can add RME to his resume of forums he's been banned from.
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    The funniest thread I've ever read, parodying our goop friend:
    http://forum.ih8mud.com/seriously-ot...e-u-joint.html

    Most people probably won't be able to read it, so I'll list some classic quotes:


    U-joint lube for Toyot apickups with a straihgt axle and Land Cruisers, Range Rovers, and older dometic 4x4’s. This is the proper lubricant for your drive shafts, not the limp-wristd Nelly crap that your useless rag a FSM calls for. It’s not any new information or product, its what the manufacturers originally used since the 1940’s. Back then the old boys new that nothing holds up to extreem pressure and extend periods of driveshafting like goodol hand churned butter. Puttingre gular wheel bearing grease in your u-jointsl is inferior to this oreginal product. The bearings allow contamanents inside your shaft. Email backwoodsfawked@goopmail.com
    Wha? Wha's that? Quit being a fawkiign sheep and put down theat FSM. Do you really thing toyota fills your u-joinst with lithium based grease from the factoryf? Evceryone knows that litium based grease and chicken fat break down when theycome into contact. Why won't toyota tell you what they fill the crankcase with aat the fadctory. I'ts butter!! don't be a stupid clown, think for yourself!!!


    Ha ha retreads
    This old school grease has unique characteristics, Sound deading qualitys, and a very nasty reputation of not playing well with others at all. "Catagoricly Imcompatable" this is one af the reasons given as to why it is seldom seen or rarely used. In the salted garlic form it is porable meaning it will pour however it remains glutonious. The enclosed driveshaft differential was by design intended to use this lube. Toyota followed the design purchased from Dana who got it from DIVCO and they followed the blueprint so close that parts are interchangeable the only change is the location of the fill plug yes FILL termanolagy used for a donut centers. It is not a pack plug even the #1 form of this grease would easly pump though a small hand pump sold at any auto part store Although I personally like the salted garlic for this application but In extreme hot I could see the advantages of the margarine The properties of this grease would not lend it to leak out of your ball. It is only when it has been contaminted with lithium grease that it breaks down and the oil that is mixed into grease to provide lubraction is then thinned out and leaks though the bearing caps. all grease is a base of eithier protein sodioum or carbs mixed with oil it comes in many forms starts out with #2 then #1 .then garlic butter #00 #000 then it switches to oil and starts at 1000 and works its way down to 80 -90 w what we are used to seeing. as mentioned in prior posts molebedendum disulphate is merely an additive found in grease typically only up to 5%. There it all is for you guys . It turns out I knew quite a bit about grease and did realize it and of course found out a whole bunch more after I passed an interview process whith to be kind a very perfection oreinted Toyota land cruiser owner and he allowed me to repair his vehicle. And I may add the only wet nurse in the entire country to slow down and see things how they are take it or leave it these are my findings
    Petroleum based grease was put in cars because Rockefeller owed the entire planet at the turn of the century. He was heavily into oil and lactose intolerant. He and William Randolph Hearst (who later quit the newspaper business to concentrate on making manual shifters) forced the automakers and the public into oil based lubricants. Both were hardcore vegetarians and hated the thought of animal based lubricants driving out Shell oil.

    It's all a big vegan conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop
    I prefer to lube my shaft with straight lard.
    hahahahahaha i bet!

    anyway heres my knuckle, rebuilt the right way, then used and abused the wrong way. its had a hard summer but has held up well, granted its still very dirty from this last weekend. i usually rebuild my front axle about once a year to go through and make sure all the parts are wearing ok anyways buy i rarely have fluid spew out my knuckles



    id be interested to see even a current pic (low miles) of this said landcruiser knuckle with the black magic voo doo goop in it. i say post up or shut up
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    ^ Frank, your "experament" is flawed from the get-go. It would be "nessicary" that each truck would need to drive the same amount of miles, and in the same driving conditions identically/equally. How are you going to make sure that this happens Frank? If you don't/can't, your "experament" will hold as much water as your spelling and poor grammar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SAMI View Post
    ^ Frank, your "experament" is flawed from the get-go. It would be "nessicary" that each truck would need to drive the same amount of miles, and in the same driving conditions identically/equally. How are you going to make sure that this happens Frank? If you don't/can't, your "experament" will hold as much water as your spelling and poor grammar.
    why not just do the experament with ONE TRUCK? axles have TWO knuckles, do one side right, and the other franks way, same miles put on both, there ya go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop View Post

    Any one up for it? or do you just want to continue making Fun of me.
    Honestly I think that's the only reason you're still around.
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