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jeeper

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Sooooo, did world war 3 just start?

Putins comments seem pretty scary to me:

"whoever tries to impede us, let alone create threats for our country and its people, must know that the Russian response will be immediate and lead to the consequences you have never seen in history."

"no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to the destruction and horrible consequences for any potential aggressor." "Russia is one of the most potent nuclear powers and also has a certain edge in a range of state-of-the-art weapons."
 

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
Moderator
Sooooo, did world war 3 just start?

Putins comments seem pretty scary to me:

"whoever tries to impede us, let alone create threats for our country and its people, must know that the Russian response will be immediate and lead to the consequences you have never seen in history."

"no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to the destruction and horrible consequences for any potential aggressor." "Russia is one of the most potent nuclear powers and also has a certain edge in a range of state-of-the-art weapons."
World War III didn't just start, but the first major land war in Europe since the end of WWII did. It is scary for what it portends. If the West doesn't stand up to this aggression by at the very least turning Russia into a pariah state like North Korea and arming the Ukrainians to the teeth with every spare bullet we have; then it won't end with Ukraine.
The US (and NATO) will not, and arguably should not, fight on Ukrainian territory. But if the aforementioned actions are not taken, then Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia are next on Putin's list; and they are NATO members. And if the Alliance doesn't stand united in supporting Ukraine in resisting Russian aggression, then Putin will surmise that they will not stand united in their collective defense and Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty isn't worth the paper its written on.
Putin has said since 1999 that he thinks the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century and he longs to reclaim not just its territory, but its influence. Remember, Soviet influence in Europe wasn't just former Republics of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, but also the Warsaw Pact; whose western border was a wall down the center of Berlin.

And all of this isn't even taking into account our primary geopolitical foe in 2022, the Peoples Republic of China. How the US and the Western world responds to events in Ukraine will undoubtedly inform China's decision to move against Taiwan and further actions in the South China Sea.
 

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
Moderator
World War III didn't just start, but the first major land war in Europe since the end of WWII did. It is scary for what it portends. If the West doesn't stand up to this aggression by at the very least turning Russia into a pariah state like North Korea and arming the Ukrainians to the teeth with every spare bullet we have; then it won't end with Ukraine.
The US (and NATO) will not, and arguably should not, fight on Ukrainian territory. But if the aforementioned actions are not taken, then Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia are next on Putin's list; and they are NATO members. And if the Alliance doesn't stand united in supporting Ukraine in resisting Russian aggression, then Putin will surmise that they will not stand united in their collective defense and Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty isn't worth the paper its written on.
Putin has said since 1999 that he thinks the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century and he longs to reclaim not just its territory, but its influence. Remember, Soviet influence in Europe wasn't just former Republics of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, but also the Warsaw Pact; whose western border was a wall down the center of Berlin.

And all of this isn't even taking into account our primary geopolitical foe in 2022, the Peoples Republic of China. How the US and the Western world responds to events in Ukraine will undoubtedly inform China's decision to move against Taiwan and further actions in the South China Sea.
Latvia invoked Article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty this morning, which compels members to convene when any other member is concerned about its territorial integrity.
 

Mouse

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Location
West Haven, UT
Chinese military jets in Taiwan airspace...

Latvia and Slovakia invoke NATO article 4. NATO's time to prove it's worth (or not) is now.

Wife stopped by to buy groceries this morning, reported some panic buying be observed.
 

Hickey

Burn-barrel enthusiast
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Chinese military jets in Taiwan airspace...

Latvia and Slovakia invoke NATO article 4. NATO's time to prove it's worth (or not) is now.

Wife stopped by to buy groceries this morning, reported some panic buying be observed.
I'm heading in to Sam's club in a bit. Guess I better strap up! 😂
 

nnnnnate

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WVC, UT
Russian and Belarusian forces have reportedly captured Chernobyl. Seems odd, but this is actually located at a strategic area north of Kiev.
I saw they were battling for it and wondered why they'd want that. I guess I still do. Is it just the area he wants or something specific in the space?
 

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
Moderator
I saw they were battling for it and wondered why they'd want that. I guess I still do. Is it just the area he wants or something specific in the space?
It's located on the Pripyat River, which is a major waterway that flows down to Kiev. Also, and this is my speculation, Chernobyl houses huge quantities of radioactive waste (obviously) and I'm sure the Russians are concerned that if it stayed in Ukrainian hands that waste could potentially be used to make dirty bombs during the ensuing war.
 

nnnnnate

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It's located on the Pripyat River, which is a major waterway that flows down to Kiev. Also, and this is my speculation, Chernobyl houses huge quantities of radioactive waste (obviously) and I'm sure the Russians are concerned that if it stayed in Ukrainian hands that waste could potentially be used to make dirty bombs during the ensuing war.
I suppose that makes sense.
 
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