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DCRC ‘20 - Input needed

maveric

maveric

Crawler Collecter
Location
In The Middle Of No-Where
I want the lowest score possible, but most the time, I'm just happy that we finished the course. The thing I liked most about the old events was that there was no payout. Don't get me wrong, everyone loves winning money, but when there isn't any money involved, the above mentioned stresses aren't as prevalent.
 
POR

POR

Active Member
Johnny Quest said:
and thats what drives new blood away from getting into competing.
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Because its not easy? I dont mean that as i want to see a bunch of jk's rolling over, but sorry watching Jesse and the likes running clean gates over and over is BORING.. i want to watch driver and spotter yell at each other over stress and get pissed cuz they're making mistakes.. the last few years rock crawling has turned into a game of backups, sportmans A went backwards and started running C courses.. maybe this is where people are confused now.. because buggys are doing c courses, so they think stock rigs are doing buggy stuff.. which is not the case. The reality is buggys are doing stockish courses with harder bonuses..
 
Jinx

Jinx

when in doubt, upgrade!
Location
So Jordan, Utah
maveric said:
The thing I liked most about the old events was that there was no payout. Don't get me wrong, everyone loves winning money, but when there isn't any money involved, the above mentioned stresses aren't as prevalent.
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Ditto,

Bragging rights was better than the cash, but it is always nice to get your entry fee back.?
 
POR

POR

Active Member
Jinx said:
So you ask some good questions.

I guess I wonder where the folks fit that have a rig that is built above stock AF (That is HILARIOUS btw) and sportsman C. So bigger than 37's, no longer has stock axles, kind of thing. (Looking at sportsman C it looks like that class requires Harnesses and window nets...) :rolleyes:

The next step for a new guy that has trail rig who wants to come and play is sportsman B, which allows rear engine single seat buggies... :oops: Which sounds like a completely different world than a full bodied trail rig with tons and 40's...

I guess in my head either bump the tire size in sportmans A to 40" & create the Sportsman "AF" class (silly laughing on that one) or make a trail rig class for those who have stock frames, stock suspensions, (leaf, coils, long arm ok, no coil overs/air shocks) up to 40" tires.

Am I the only one seeing this whole in the classes? When we lead trails at the W4x4J it seems like most folks who are commited to this sport seem to be running a minimum of 38"-40" tires (or trying to get there) :cool:
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I think the 37" tire limit for c is good.. in the grand scheme of competing when you become a good driver with the handicap of 37's think how good you are when your on 40's lol.. you have to crawl before you can walk. The more commited guys will fall into their respected class's naturally..
 
POR

POR

Active Member
maveric said:
I want the lowest score possible, but most the time, I'm just happy that we finished the course. The thing I liked most about the old events was that there was no payout. Don't get me wrong, everyone loves winning money, but when there isn't any money involved, the above mentioned stresses aren't as prevalent.
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Money though, allures the guy a thousand miles away to come.. even if its a little gas money lol
 
Jinx

Jinx

when in doubt, upgrade!
Location
So Jordan, Utah
POR said:
I think the 37" tire limit for c is good.. in the grand scheme of competing when you become a good driver with the handicap of 37's think how good you are when your on 40's lol.. you have to crawl before you can walk. The more commited guys will fall into their respected class's naturally..
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I don't see a lot of guys picking up a set of 37"s just to compete, and with the alternative is running with Buggys in Sportman's B, they will pass.

Unless you have a trail rig class...

Or like I said run 35" and under in AF and Let C be for guys 37"-40"s...

Keep in mind, we are not talking about changing WEROCK, just the OSRC.
 
Johnny Quest

Johnny Quest

Web Wheeler
Location
West Jordan
Jinx said:
I don't see a lot of guys picking up a set of 37"s just to compete, and with the alternative is running with Buggys in Sportman's B, they will pass.

Unless you have a trail rig class...

Or like I said run 35" and under in AF and Let C be for guys 37"-40"s...

Keep in mind, we are not talking about changing WEROCK, just the OSRC.
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there are a fair amount of DCRC stock class guys that are on 37s only because of the 37" class. Theyve built their trail rigs to fit that class; im planning on doing the same with my next build.

IF we absorb sportsman C rules, but with exceptions, then it kinda refeats the purpose of streamlining DCRC to match WERock rules; might as well just adjust DCRC rules at that point
 
kmboren

kmboren

Recovering XJ owner anonymous
Location
Southern Utah
Being a Werock competitor last year I think there just needs to be set rules and those followed. Most 4 door JKs or JLs are on 40s because they need 40s to go the same places Tj and XJs can go on 35-37s. I'd say let the 40 inch tires on 4 door Jk and JL compete with the sportsman c/ stock crowd. Last year a sami on 31s killed everyone so clearly at old school tire size is not as favorable as it is during we rock events.
 
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N-Smooth

N-Smooth

Smooth Gang Founding Member
Location
UT
Sportsman C does require harnesses but no nets.

As far as money being the motivation, nobody is living off of their rock crawling winnings- that’s just simply not a thing. Some of the time my winnings will cover my costs for the event but not always. Most people are motivated by the competitive spirit of the whole thing as well as just trying to do their best.
 
maveric

maveric

Crawler Collecter
Location
In The Middle Of No-Where
xj_nate said:
Sportsman C does require harnesses but no nets.

As far as money being the motivation, nobody is living off of their rock crawling winnings- that’s just simply not a thing. Some of the time my winnings will cover my costs for the event but not always. Most people are motivated by the competitive spirit of the whole thing as well as just trying to do their best.
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I missed the part about the harnesses. I run a set in most all my vehicles, so its not an issue. I can see it being a pita to install them in some of the vehicles though.Laps are easy, shoulders, not as much.

Its true that its not much money, but when there isn't any involved, most sketchy calls are dropped. When there is cash on the line, no matter how little, those sketchy calls get people riled up.
 
kmboren

kmboren

Recovering XJ owner anonymous
Location
Southern Utah
As in seatbelts. To get more participants you need to continue to allow at least 3 point belts in the stock class. I do think lap belts should NOT be allowed.
 
pkrfctr

pkrfctr

Registered User
Location
Spanish Fork, UT
Jinx said:
I don't see a lot of guys picking up a set of 37"s just to compete, and with the alternative is running with Buggys in Sportman's B, they will pass.

Unless you have a trail rig class...

Or like I said run 35" and under in AF and Let C be for guys 37"-40"s...

Keep in mind, we are not talking about changing WEROCK, just the OSRC.
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I'm with Jinx on this one. I run a jk on 1 tons and 40's, never competed and haven't gone to OSRC before because I didn't really fit in. I'm not buying 37 to try it out and don't have window nets or harnesses.
 
N-Smooth

N-Smooth

Smooth Gang Founding Member
Location
UT
pkrfctr said:
I'm with Jinx on this one. I run a jk on 1 tons and 40's, never competed and haven't gone to OSRC before because I didn't really fit in. I'm not buying 37 to try it out and don't have window nets or harnesses.
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I don’t want everybody to need harnesses and window nets are just plain out of the question- that won’t happen. I have no problem competing against you in Sportsman C but a JK class where the only rule is to be in a JK would be more fun for you
 
Jinx

Jinx

when in doubt, upgrade!
Location
So Jordan, Utah
kmboren said:
As in seatbelts. To get more participants you need to continue to allow at least 3 point belts in the stock class. I do think lap belts should NOT be allowed.
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Hi Kevin, good to see your input here. I think your wheeling experience and ER experience add to things.

Let me understand the why you feel Lap Belts shouldn't be allowed.
 
Jinx

Jinx

when in doubt, upgrade!
Location
So Jordan, Utah
kmboren said:
Last year a sami on 31s killed everyone so clearly at old school tire size is not as favorable as it is during we rock events.
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I have no doubt a capable, narrow track, short wheel based rig would do well in this game, just because it is more forgiving when it comes to missing cones! :)

Ryan (skippy) used to school people in a CJ7, man he could drive that thing. I think National Champ at least one year...

Back in the day... (yes this dates me) before waterfalls, a sweet comp rig was 103" wb that was around 63-65" wide with some decent aproach/departure angels...
 
N-Smooth

N-Smooth

Smooth Gang Founding Member
Location
UT
Jinx said:
Let me understand the why you feel Lap Belts shouldn't be allowed.
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Lap belts allow too much upper body movement during rollovers. They’re not allowed in the rules of either WERock or OSRC.

Jinx said:
Ryan (skippy) used to school people in a CJ7, man he could drive that thing. I think National Champ at least one year...
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You’re giving him too much credit and he’s already so braggy (joking). He won Delta stock class, a couple Idaho X Rocks events and podium at WERock Cedar. It is certainly an awesome rig for competition use and may make a comeback soon. Everybody in stock class better hope it doesn’t...
 
N-Smooth

N-Smooth

Smooth Gang Founding Member
Location
UT
Jinx said:
Nate, where did you fit in Osrc? Legends? I can’t remember but in ‘18 I don’t remember you stock...
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Legends since ‘16. So I compete against Harper and Logan Backus in their linked, stretched YJ’s on fodees. Basically I just try and stay in 3rd place lol

The Sportsman B class was made partially for peeps like them so they aren’t competing against rear steer cars. Next season is going to be fun to watch.
 
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