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Just saw this KSL article as well.


Positive vibes your way Roger!

Paul R said:

Just saw this KSL article as well.

Remembering the Utahns we’ve lost: Carol Moody

Carol Moody was a wife, a mother and a grandmother, and she loved being all three.

www.ksl.com

Positive vibes your way Roger!

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we need a :respect: smiley...



Hope things are starting to get better but losing someone never really gets "better" in my experience. You just learn to live with it

I just found out today my grandmother (who is in a care center) has got it. Initially I felt anger that they haven't protected her since they haven't let anyone visit for months- I don't understand how they've got a wing of elderly with it. But then I've feel at peace with the idea that everyone has done their best and what happens will happen. She seems happy and at peace with the idea that she will either overcome it or her pain will end. I can't imagine the confusion and frustration at waking up in a place you don't remember on occasion and slowly forgetting your life. Perhaps it's a blessing for her as her mother lived for over a decade with dementia. Perhaps not. But anger doesn't fix anything. I will try to forgive.

Sorry to hear that Stratton. My dad's facility just had 2 staff and 1 resident test positive. We are now waiting to hear about my dad. I feel much the same for him. Hearing him be confused on why/how he got there any given day when he's now been there 2 years is depressing 😢

Dementia is tough. My friends Grandfather would forget that his sweetheart of 60 years had passed away, so he would have to relive losing her all the time. It was heartbreaking. It can be a terrible disease.

There was an article on KSL this morning about how the estimates are closer to 20 million cases nationwide (about double), and while infection numbers are increasing, fatalities are decreasing. It mentions that even though some of the sunbelt states are showing 10%+ positive tests, in reality the county numbers are only showing 3 counties with those numbers (the most populated). I just wish this is the narrative that was being pushed...that infections are indeed increasing, and fatalities are decreasing. I was reading a couple articles from England and Italy about how doctors there believe there has been some mutation in the virus lowering it's severity. The patients that have been coming through in the last 4 weeks that would have almost certainly died 2 months ago, aren't having issues and are recovering well.

The mortality numbers in utah a couple days ago were showing an average age of 73.3 and the percentage of deaths within the high risk category (65+ and/or some underlying health risk factor) was like 94.x%. That meant 9 people in Utah have died that weren't in that high risk group. 9. Nueve. You have a better chance of dying from general anesthesia from getting your wisdom teeth out (I don't know if that's true, but it very well might be) than of the Corona virus if you're not in the high risk category. All of this money should be going to protect that group of people, and not the people that have very little chance of being harmed by it. Quadruple spending to protect high risk people. I'm not trying to be insensitive to those that have experienced loss, but I think a more focused effort to protect those most susceptible makes more sense. I also admit I don't know that that looks like....and maybe that just looks like everyone having to wear face masks.

Obviously this is a fairly congruent message with what has already been said in this thread. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

The fear mongering is driving me bananas. Every time it's brought up, "omg (insert absurd amount of cases here) number of new cases today". And? Well its spreading? And? How many of those cases resulted in hospitalization? Well I don't know that number. How many deaths today? Only a couple.

So why are we still freaking out about how many cases? It doesn't matter how many new cases today. Are those new cases requiring hospitalization? Are those cases resulting in more than 1% death rate? Then stop living in fear.

Yes the virus is deadly to some people, yes at risk people should be protected. Does it suck for those at risk to continue to have to isolate? Absolutely. Does the entire population have to continue to live in fear and face financial hardship? No. If I choose to put myself "at risk" to go to a gym, tattoo shop, swimming pool, etc etc. Thats my choice. If a business owner chooses to put themself at risk to open thats their choice. Those choices don't put the general population at risk and they don't put the at risk population at a higher risk.

This illusion of protection is probably the most frustrating part of it for me. The virus isn't going anywhere kids, hold onto your hats it's going to be around awhile.

What I can't take is everyone virtue signaling that if you don't wear a mask you are selfish or stupid. I hate this. People, all people, have different risk tolerances. Some people only drive 5 star crash rated cars at the speed limit. Some people ride bullet bikes on the freeway. I have been asking the "pro mask or your stupid" people if they wear a full face helmet in their car. Obviously its safer to do so. Apples to oranges?

My oldest son tested positive last week. He spent all weekend at my house working on stuff with me in the garage. I got tested and am negative along with my wife and two kids at home. Also, my 2nd oldest boy lives with his brother and he is negative. They live in the same house, drive in the same car all the time and no one else got it but my oldest, who got it from a co worker we assume since most of his crew is positive. He is 24 and has not had any symptoms more severe than a cold. So I agree with Cody and TRD270. It's not looking so bad for most of the population.

We used to hear "but X number of Americans die of the flu each year". We are now roughly 3 times that number with COVID.

Houndoc said:

We used to hear "but X number of Americans die of the flu each year". We are now roughly 3 times that number with COVID.

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0.0003% of the U.S. population has died from this.
0.007% have been confirmed infected

Does it still suck yes, but that number hardly justifies action taken.

glockman said:

What I can't take is everyone virtue signaling that if you don't wear a mask you are selfish or stupid. I hate this. People, all people, have different risk tolerances. Some people only drive 5 star crash rated cars at the speed limit. Some people ride bullet bikes on the freeway. I have been asking the "pro mask or your stupid" people if they wear a full face helmet in their car. Obviously its safer to do so. Apples to oranges?

My oldest son tested positive last week. He spent all weekend at my house working on stuff with me in the garage. I got tested and am negative along with my wife and two kids at home. Also, my 2nd oldest boy lives with his brother and he is negative. They live in the same house, drive in the same car all the time and no one else got it but my oldest, who got it from a co worker we assume since most of his crew is positive. He is 24 and has not had any symptoms more severe than a cold. So I agree with Cody and TRD270. It's not looking so bad for most of the population.

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have him get re-tested somewhere else.

I’ve had 3 different employees get a positive test followed by a negative test within 1 day. Each of those tests were at different times and places, so that tells me the tests are not very accurate.

Tonkaman said:

have him get re-tested somewhere else.

I’ve had 3 different employees get a positive test followed by a negative test within 1 day. Each of those tests were at different times and places, so that tells me the tests are not very accurate.

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I have a co-worker that tested positive 2 weeks ago that went and got retested and was negative so he had a false positive. At least I got to work from home for a week.

I’m of the opinion now that the more cases the better as long as people that need to go to the hospital can. This isn’t going away and a rushed vaccine won’t be utilized enough to make a difference(my family won’t be getting it). herd immunity seems like the only real answer.

Jesser04 said:

I’m of the opinion now that the more cases the better as long as people that need to go to the hospital can. This isn’t going away and a rushed vaccine won’t be utilized enough to make a difference(my family won’t be getting it). herd immunity seems like the only real answer.

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^^This. I did the antibody test the other day, hoping that one of the bugs I got earlier in the year was it. I work closely with a guy who was hospitalized in January for a virus causing low blood oxygen level. For me the result was negative/negative. BTW, Labcorp will let you order your own tests now. You pay $10 and they bill your insurance or the government for the rest.

Paul R said:

Just saw this KSL article as well.

Remembering the Utahns we’ve lost: Carol Moody

Carol Moody was a wife, a mother and a grandmother, and she loved being all three.

www.ksl.com

Positive vibes your way Roger!

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Thanks a million.

For what it’s worth: 6 of the 10 Moody Family had Covid-19. Two living in my same household (12 and 16 yo) did not get it. Mom died after two weeks in the hospital, hospitalized two days after showing symptoms. Mom was diabetic. Dad had it. Triple bypass 15 years ago. Hospitalized but released after a week. He’s home with us now, but still requires oxygen. My wife and I both had it. Kicked our asses. Isolated in separate rooms with separate bathrooms and kids stayed upstairs for the most part. Still have the fatigue and brain fog, as does my wife. My wife is as healthy as can be, she doesn’t even take any prescription drugs at all. I have high blood pressure. Kicked our asses. My brother and his partner had minor symptoms, dry cough and generally run down, but were nowhere near the level of sickness my wife and I had.
My point is: despite being old, young, chronic conditions, whatever, it impacts people differently. Be safe, careful, and stay healthy. Take Vitamin D, C, and a Zinc supplement for boost your immune system.

Jesser04 said:

herd immunity seems like the only real answer.

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I'll admit that I'm saturated with virus this and protests that and I've turned off the news and I'm just minding my own business, so maybe I missed it, but is there any evidence yet that herd immunity is a thing with this virus? The last I'd heard, there was nothing pointing to it's existence and a couple cases here or there where people may have gotten it twice.

Until they come out and can say with confidence that having the antibodies makes you immune, I'm not counting on herd immunity to save us. I think we're going to be stuck in this shut down/open up/shut down yoyo until a vaccine arrives.

Brad J said:

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I have a co-worker that tested positive 2 weeks ago that went and got retested and was negative so he had a false positive. At least I got to work from home for a week.

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No, that does not mean he had afalse positive.
The tests are for active virus particles (genes of said virus.) If you are tested either before or after you are producing the virus you will test negative.
One thing we do not know if how long of a window we will test positive. It can be very short (one infection we see in cats causes chronic disease but has about a 24 hour window to detect it.)

Even if Covid fits within the Herd Immunity classification, ie once you have it you can't get it again, without a vaccine it is deeply flawed. There are a few articles out there from reputable sources on it. The above is from a NY Times article. Co-authored by a Biologist and a Biostatistician.

"In the absence of a vaccine, developing immunity to a disease like Covid-19 requires actually being infected with the coronavirus.... Given that current estimates suggest roughly 0.5 percent to 1 percent of all infections are fatal, that means a lot of deaths.

Perhaps most important to understand, the virus doesn’t magically disappear when the herd immunity threshold is reached. That’s not when things stop — it’s only when they start to slow down.

Once enough immunity has been built in the population, each person will infect fewer than one other person, so a new epidemic cannot start afresh. But an epidemic that is already underway will continue to spread. If 100,000 people are infectious at the peak and they each infect 0.9 people, that’s still 90,000 new infections, and more after that."

To each their own. I'll respect your right to go unmasked so long as you respect my social distancing while wearing a mask. If you breathe down my neck at Home Depot don't be shocked if I firmly ask you to step up off me. We have examples here on the board of what outcomes can happen, healthy or compromised, and it's heartwrenching to think what Moody has endured the past month.

For me, I've been working from home for 15 weeks, go out minimally, always mask up when I do, and use sanitizer copiously. For me it isn't virtue signaling, it's personal. If i had it, didn't show symptoms, and passed that to someone I associate with who then in turn got ill, I personally couldn't live with that. And yes, I realize that they could very well have gotten it from another source, but for me, I'll do what I can to know that I've done all I can. Not political, not "holier than thou," just me.

I wish everyone thought like Tropp92. If you can't keep your distance, put a mask on. I'm doing everything I can to keep my distance. Mask wearers, please wait for me to finish up in my area at home depot before encroaching and giving me the dirty looks. I was there there first. If I breath down your neck, feel free to punch me.