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jackjoh

Jack - KC6NAR
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Are we really going to get into Trump's the bad guy here? It's not like 5 states all announced they were stopping counting in the middle of the night with Trump in the lead and somehow had an additional 100k votes for Biden when counting restarted, it's not like we had dead people voting, no signatures validated, votes quite simply switched from Trump to Biden but forget all that Orange Man bad. The Republican party is dead, they don't have the balls to stand up and say there's a problem here, they roll over and ask for more abuse. There's no point of voting any more. Please show me where Trump said go break into Pelosi's office and ransack the place. Hell there's been rioting all summer long, you remember all that peaceful burning/looting/autonomous zone or don't you because the media just glossed over all of it while the cities burned?

Go ahead tell me Biden is the most popular president ever with 80 million votes, more popular than Obama, more popular than Hillary, while he sits in his basement and can't seem to get more than 20 people stuck in cute little circles to his public events. If you believe the Orange man is bad here go stick your head in the sand listen to the media ask Biden the tough questions like what he had for breakfast.
Right on Spork.
 

jackjoh

Jack - KC6NAR
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I was born a democrat, changed to Republican when I voted for Reagan, and changed to an Independent when the first Bush was elected. I have voted for the person that had a chance of being elected that was the least of two evils.
Democrats and Republicans are just titles given to the same politically bent persons that choose a party to get elected. They are now all Totalitarians or as Aristotle defined Tyranny "the rule of one person or of a small group of people which became possible because modern science and technology". In other words controlled press, science (carbon, Covid, environmental climate change, and politicians that want to stay in power.
I would rather be controlled "by the people" that have not been Indoctrinated by the schools, government, and the press
 

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
Moderator
I thought this from the Editors of National Review was quite timely:
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High among the things American conservatism seeks to conserve is our country’s political inheritance from our founding, an inheritance that makes it possible for us to be a free, prosperous, decent, and self-governing society.

That work is unending and sometimes arduous — because the inheritance is complex and often misunderstood, because the threats to it are many and varied, and because conservation is rarely reducible to resisting change. Our claim is not that the Founders were perfect but that they were wise, and that we need to fit the times to the Constitution more than the other way around.

Constitutional government is betrayed when the public is asked not to consult with experts but to submit to them. Or when courts deny our system’s foundational premise that all men are created equal in their basic rights. Or, as we have recently seen, when a mob seeks to intimidate legislators into forgetting their duties.

Our political debates are often necessarily contentious, but they must remain only metaphorically battles. Different stripes of conservatives can have productive arguments with one another about how to help families flourish, what the proper bounds of government are, and who should lead the Republican Party. But that debate must not partake of conspiratorial fantasies, and lawless violence must never be on the table. We must strive, against all demagogues, to make our reason the master and not the servant of our passions.

The spirit of republican deliberation is already too frail in our times. Our fellow citizens doubt one another’s good intent and capacity for self-government. Even conservatives are tempted to give up the defense of the Constitution, which would leave it friendless and dying. Nothing, at such a moment, can sound more naïve than a call for Americans to rededicate ourselves to our patrimony. Nothing is more essential.
 

TRD270

Emptying Pockets Again
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SaSaSandy
“Rep. Pramila Jayapal, who chairs the left-leaning Congressional Progressive Caucus, told Politico in an online interview that $1.9 trillion should be the floor for COVID-19 relief spending, not a ceiling.

Her caucus, which represents more than 90 of the House's 221 Democrats, wants the package to include a minimum wage hike to $15 an hour, a path to citizenship for essential workers who are immigrants and auto-enrollment in public health insurance plans for the uninsured.

"We should think of this in terms of the needs of people, not in terms of the dollar amounts," Jayapal said.

She and other Democratic lawmakers including Rep. Ilhan Omar have called for recurring payments to U.S. households instead of the one-time $1,400 check the Biden administration has included in its proposal.”

Long quote for context but after reading it scares me that this could be a sneak to “universal income” BS the socialist sorry Democratic Party is pushing.
 

anderson750

I'm working on it Rose
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Price, Utah
“Rep. Pramila Jayapal, who chairs the left-leaning Congressional Progressive Caucus, told Politico in an online interview that $1.9 trillion should be the floor for COVID-19 relief spending, not a ceiling.

Her caucus, which represents more than 90 of the House's 221 Democrats, wants the package to include a minimum wage hike to $15 an hour, a path to citizenship for essential workers who are immigrants and auto-enrollment in public health insurance plans for the uninsured.

"We should think of this in terms of the needs of people, not in terms of the dollar amounts," Jayapal said.

She and other Democratic lawmakers including Rep. Ilhan Omar have called for recurring payments to U.S. households instead of the one-time $1,400 check the Biden administration has included in its proposal.”

Long quote for context but after reading it scares me that this could be a sneak to “universal income” BS the socialist sorry Democratic Party is pushing.
Overall the D party has move hard socialist, but I believe there are enough people in the party to oppose some of this stuff to keep it from moving forward in the manner that it is being proposed. The AOC's, Omars and such are over playing their hand and I see it costing them big in the midterm election.

I think we need to start a side bet on the future of Mittens and who might primary him in 3 years. I expect some noise to start prior to the midterms elections.
 

Noahfecks

El Destructo!
Overall the D party has move hard socialist, but I believe there are enough people in the party to oppose some of this stuff to keep it from moving forward in the manner that it is being proposed. The AOC's, Omars and such are over playing their hand and I see it costing them big in the midterm election.

I think we need to start a side bet on the future of Mittens and who might primary him in 3 years. I expect some noise to start prior to the midterms elections.

You assume that we will still have elections where we choose from candidates that have competing viewpoints, not just left and lefterer.
 

TRD270

Emptying Pockets Again
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Interesting read, hope that a legitimate third party comes out of it.



Also in the 37sec of impeachment circus I could tolerate to look at, I love how the dem machine is aware of what the word "riot" is and more than happy to label Jan 6th. But must have escaped their vocabulary all of last year. Damn joke.
 

jackjoh

Jack - KC6NAR
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Riverton, UT
Everyone believes that Trump is an egotistical ass that loved the country. Get over it.
The 2nd impeachment farce will soon end with another not guilty just like the Russian Collusion.
The 2nd impeachment trial did a lot to expose the hypocrisy of the "get Trump" group.
Prediction; Pence will be our next president.
We need to fight (not kill, murder, riot) to keep PL-166-9 (even though it was a bad bargain) from being weakened.
We need to make congress responsible for making laws not the president or judiciary.
 

xjtony

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Grantsville, Ut

This is the kind of article that frustrates me. The 2 party system at its finest. Vote for us or "they" win. The system is designed to devide the county . I honestly think that a third party formed from centralists pulled from both sides could do a lot for our country, but its a leap of faith thats hard for most people to take.
 

TRD270

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SaSaSandy

Houndoc

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Grantsville

This is the kind of article that frustrates me. The 2 party system at its finest. Vote for us or "they" win. The system is designed to devide the county . I honestly think that a third party formed from centralists pulled from both sides could do a lot for our country, but its a leap of faith thats hard for most people to take.

It is unfortunate that too many people think we are somehow locked into only Democrat or Republican as our party options. The Republicans became a major party at the expense of the previous ones.

I do think the Republican Party will either have to deliberately shed the far right/Q-Anon/Trumpist wing or the moderates will leave the party with the majority of that migrating to the Democrats unless there is a real movement to form a new, centrist party (which as quick as I would be to join I don't see happening.)

Loosing a strong center-right voice on issues such as Second Amendment, land use etc will not be good in the long run and a stronger center will make long-term solutions to divisive issues like immigration much easier to solve through compromise.
 
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