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Supporters of President Donald Trump at the U.S. Capitol in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021. (Jose Luis Magana/AP Photo)
Supporters of President Donald Trump at the U.S. Capitol in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021. (Jose Luis Magana/AP Photo)
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Occam’s Razor and My Hunch About Jan. 6​

Roger L. Simon
Roger L. Simon


January 7, 2022 Updated: January 10, 2022
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On Jan. 6, 2021, I was driving back from Atlanta to Nashville, an unpleasant journey that entails negotiating the perpetually under construction Chattanooga highway system, a real-life version of Dante’s Ninth Circle.
The previous night I had attended the gloomy “victory” party for the failed GOP Georgia senatorial candidates, so I wasn’t in the greatest of moods when I heard the news from Washington over satellite radio.
Invading the Capitol? What was the point of that, I thought.
Okay, demonstrate, but of what possible use to Trump and his supporters was it to march en masse into the so-called People’s House? It would only be used against them in their quest to delay the certification of the election, a tenuous hope at best. (I had little faith in Pence then and less now.)
And now they were reporting violent confrontations and destruction of government property. What was going on? It didn’t make sense.
I thought of the well over a dozen Trump rallies I had covered across the country for PJ Media in 2016 and The Epoch Times in 2020.
With the exception of once in Anaheim when a handful of Latinos jumped on some cars in a relatively brief immigration protest and the occasional leftwing heckler or two that had to be escorted out, they had been remarkably peaceful events—especially with audiences in the tens of thousands.
Yes, I had seen the Proud Boys at a couple of events and they looked ready to rumble to some degree—or at least ready for someone to prod them into rumbling. And that was the point. (Apropos, The Epoch Times is now reporting a whistleblower is outing the Seattle Police for lying about the Proud Boys violent intentions back in 2020.)
Still, someone was instigating this. A sea change had taken place. Some group or some people had encouraged an inherently non-violent movement—I was always amazed at the rallies how polite the “deplorables” were—to cross the line.
I immediately thought the obvious—Antifa.
Who had not seen their myriad violent explosions in Portland and elsewhere? Who didn’t find it inexplicable that the government, state and federal, almost never did anything about them when they actually torched buildings and beat up people in the streets?
In fact, I had seen them personally in D.C. not that long before—a sociopathic bunch, whizzing around on skateboards, hopped up on something and eager to play games straight out of “Clockwork Orange.”
For a while, I was sure they were behind it. I imagine a lot of others did too, possibly including President Trump. That may have accounted for his delay in speaking on the matter that he has been accused of. He was waiting for Antifa to be caught.
But something nagged at me. The so-called anarchists didn’t seem capable of instigating anything as large as what I was hearing was transpiring. (As I learned later, they were present under a false flag, but to a still indeterminate extent.)
Then I had a second thought that blended what I learned in my own leftwing past—increasingly distant, decades now, though it was—with what was going on in the present, specifically by the evident, even then, outrageous behavior and bias of the FBI.
I remembered how, back in the seventies, they seemed to be involved in everything. The joke was that every lefty organization was at least half FBI agents. I didn’t know if that was an exaggeration. Actually, I wasn’t much for organizations, then and now, and didn’t like being a member. But I suspected it was close to the truth.
So I came to a conclusion as I headed close to Nashville that was an early, mostly instinctual version of what has been alleged recently in far more detail—with evidence on offer—by Revolver.News.
The real false flag most likely belonged to the FBI. They were the McGuffin I was looking for.
I don’t mean to brag about this. I don’t think it was a particularly brilliant insight. It was, frankly, Occam’s Razor—the most obvious is true. Nothing else added up.
Moreover, I didn’t do anything about it. It was only a hunch and I had no evidence. I probably should have gone further, but life went on, and I put it away as the fantasy of a onetime detective writer who hadn’t written a mystery in years.
But when I read a few weeks ago on Revolver about these various characters—Ray Epps, FenceCutter Bulwark, the Scaffold Commander and so forth—and saw the many videos and photographs offered as evidence by their lead writer Darren Beattie of FBI intervention, my mouth dropped open. The blanks in my own fantasy were being filled in.
Did I know what he had written was a hundred percent true? I had no way of knowing but it made sense and I am in no way a conspiracy theorist. (I believe Oswald acted alone from the Texas Schoolbook Depository—at least for now.)
If what Beattie says can be proven, if those people can be found and admit their identities—Epps may be forced to—it will make a mockery of the nauseating absurdities from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Jan. 6 is another 9/11 or Pearl Harbor?) we all had to listen to on the anniversary of the “insurrection.”
What I find fascinating in all this is that our friends in the MSM have taken no interest whatsoever in this,—although it would seem relatively easy for larger organizations to follow up—other than branding the whole thing with their favorite word—“debunked.”
I can’t say I’m surprised. What would they get out of it? You don’t win a Pulitzer these days for telling the truth.
LASTLY: Many liberal and progressive commentators are using Jan. 6 as another excuse to call for the “deprogramming” of Trump supporters. I guess that would include me. Do I have to wear a mask?
Fortunately, they now won’t have to worry about Senator Ted Cruz anymore. He just deprogrammed himself.
Views expressed in this article are the opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.
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Roger L. Simon is an award-winning novelist, Oscar-nominated screenwriter, co-founder of PJMedia, and now, editor-at-large for The Epoch Times. His most recent books are “The GOAT” (fiction) and “I Know Best: How Moral Narcissism Is Destroying Our Republic, If It Hasn’t Already” (nonfiction). He can be found on GETTR and Parler @rogerlsimon.
 

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I did just read that. Not sure I'm any smarter after reading. I believe this guy about as much as I believe CNN, MSNBC and Fox


If you're asking for my OPINION on Jan 6, I do believe there were MANY different groups at the rally and any one of them could have perpetrated the "attack". Maybe they were FBI, KGB, MI6, KKK, White Supremicist XYZ group, Black Lives Matter or ANY of any number of other organizations?

My real question is why is this "attack" so focused on and the riots and such in Seattle, Portland, Milwaukee, etc not focused on. I know a few folks that went to DC. They were pissed that NOTHING was being done to the rioters. I'm of similar opinion.
 
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After watching all the protests all summer long, businesses destroyed, attacks on federal courthouses, etc, etc I was under the impression that protests and riots don't do anything to sway politics. After Jan 6 I'm of the opinion that if you want to scare the politicians go to Washington DC and do it there.
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It has already been proven that the attempted kidnapping of Governor Whitmer in Michigan was orchestrated by Fed agents. That is enough proof for me to think there is some validity to the idea that that fueled if not completely orchestrated January 6th. We already have proof they were tapping Trumps phones illegally. What would stop them from inserting agents into the crowd and pushing the agenda at the capitol.
 

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After watching all the protests all summer long, businesses destroyed, attacks on federal courthouses, etc, etc I was under the impression that protests and riots don't do anything to sway politics. After Jan 6 I'm of the opinion that if you want to scare the politicians go to Washington DC and do it there.
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I think it's all because the Italian space lasers weren't used early enough to help prop up the Iraqi Dinar. Probably the muskrat mafia in New Jersey had something to do with it as well. They're in cahoots with the grey squirrels in DC that really run this country, but I'm preaching to the choir on that one, amiright?!?!
 

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I'll give you my opinion and I know it won't be too popular here.

While I do agree there are different groups that were there, and not all groups participated in the riots, and damaged property and all that. I do deeply believe that those that did were die had Trumpeteers. I believe that he fueled their actions, that, while not directly saying to attack (He's a genius when it comes to double speak) I feel that most of those that did do the major illegal activities were inspired, goated, and swayed by Trump and his team. I believe that many people there were just pulled in due to mob mentality and that MANY more were more curious about what was going on....but there was a distinct group(s) that was there to "get things done" and those, I believe are Trumps base.

Now, I do not believe that there were many anti Trump groups at the Capital...well not entering the Capital. They may have been on the outside/outskirts of the Capital....but given the enraged Trump voters, I don't believe many anti-Trump attendees would dare to get in the mix with them....hence, I believe some were there, but I don't believe they participated in much....but I'm sure there were some incidents outside the Capital building as well between groups that are largely unreported.

To me, Trump is the king of manipulation. He NEVER loses ANYTHING. He is always able to deflect the blame to something/someone else. His ego won't allow him to lose. Instead things are rigged, people are dumb, Fake news and all that garbage. I honestly believe he enjoys manipulating his die hard base. I think he enjoys being thought of as almost god like to so many. It feeds his ego and makes him test his power. I think he knows he lost the election (sorry, multiple state audits from (R) groups have not found enough evidence of anything widespread) He can't handle it. Hell, he put the seed of doubt in everyone of his followers heads months before the election even took place. He was hedging his bets. Now, I think he wanted to see how far his base would go for him. I think he believed he could influence the outcome he wanted....and if not, he would pass the blame as he does on EVERYTHING else.

I know this is not a popular opinion here. I also feel that this event is sad for our country. I feel the reason this is a bigger deal then the "peaceful protests" over the prior summer is that this is a direct attack on the actual government and the governing process. There was real intent there to ENFORCE change...not merely influence change.
 

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I'll give you my opinion and I know it won't be too popular here.

While I do agree there are different groups that were there, and not all groups participated in the riots, and damaged property and all that. I do deeply believe that those that did were die had Trumpeteers. I believe that he fueled their actions, that, while not directly saying to attack (He's a genius when it comes to double speak) I feel that most of those that did do the major illegal activities were inspired, goated, and swayed by Trump and his team. I believe that many people there were just pulled in due to mob mentality and that MANY more were more curious about what was going on....but there was a distinct group(s) that was there to "get things done" and those, I believe are Trumps base.

Now, I do not believe that there were many anti Trump groups at the Capital...well not entering the Capital. They may have been on the outside/outskirts of the Capital....but given the enraged Trump voters, I don't believe many anti-Trump attendees would dare to get in the mix with them....hence, I believe some were there, but I don't believe they participated in much....but I'm sure there were some incidents outside the Capital building as well between groups that are largely unreported.

To me, Trump is the king of manipulation. He NEVER loses ANYTHING. He is always able to deflect the blame to something/someone else. His ego won't allow him to lose. Instead things are rigged, people are dumb, Fake news and all that garbage. I honestly believe he enjoys manipulating his die hard base. I think he enjoys being thought of as almost god like to so many. It feeds his ego and makes him test his power. I think he knows he lost the election (sorry, multiple state audits from (R) groups have not found enough evidence of anything widespread) He can't handle it. Hell, he put the seed of doubt in everyone of his followers heads months before the election even took place. He was hedging his bets. Now, I think he wanted to see how far his base would go for him. I think he believed he could influence the outcome he wanted....and if not, he would pass the blame as he does on EVERYTHING else.

I know this is not a popular opinion here. I also feel that this event is sad for our country. I feel the reason this is a bigger deal then the "peaceful protests" over the prior summer is that this is a direct attack on the actual government and the governing process. There was real intent there to ENFORCE change...not merely influence change.


Honestly, I like that you stated your opinion. I do agree with your thoughts about Trump. I voted for him both times but I REALLY don't care for Hillary at all and thought Trump would throw a wrench in the "establishment". I HOPED to get a good Dem candidate to vote for but when Uncle Joe chose Kamela, I was WAY out. Back into the Trump camp for me (not comfortable at all there). I've reflected a lot since the 2020 election. I don't think I've EVER voted FOR someone in the national elections, just against someone.

There are some "Trumpsters" that are easily goaded by their orange haired god and I guess they could be whipped into a frenzy. More people than I knew in my circles are die hard Trumpsters. People that have never held a political discussion with me in the 40+ years I've known them suddenly know everything about the office of the President. They are mostly "salt of the earth" type folks. Willing to give you the shirt off their back and stand next to you to defend your family if it ever came to that. I believe these people felt like Trump was their never heard before voice and they identified with him and his middle finger to the state of our political offices.

My summary: Politics in America is in a not good state. There is corruption everywhere, every party, every office. I'll believe that until I see otherwise. I don't trust those in political offices. The old adage of "I'm from the government. I'm here to help" rings totally true to me. Small government is my preference. I believe a lot of the folks governing us can't make it in the real world and they run for office. Make a career out of that. Others are there to manipulate laws for businesses and other groups.

Giving people a helping hand is OK as long as it's not a lifelong handout. Give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish. I come down on the side of teach a man to fish. We need infrastructure. We need foreign relations. I HATE that the US has been the world's police force for going on 100 years. I understand why we are, just don't like the position we've let ourselves get in. I do think .gov should be fiscally conservative and run a balanced budget. I do think we have an INCREDIBLE amount of waste in our various government agencies. I do believe in states rights. Term limits need to be a thing. Anyone over 2 terms needs to be voted out. Can only run for one other office. Campaign finance reform needs to happen. Lobbying changes NEED to happen... I digress

My personal reason for voting for Trump is he's NOT the establishment. I hope this inspires more people to engage in politics. People should pay attention and hold their .gov accountable for the tax dollars we let the .gov collect from us. I hope we get a lot of folks off their couches and into their city and county council meetings. Our state is run by a hyper majority. They are a collection of idiots that don't think their shit stinks. Vote those dumbasses out.
 
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I don't think I've EVER voted FOR someone in the national elections, just against someone.
This is what I feel has happened in most of the last few elections. When many Trump supporters try to use the "Yeah, Joe Biden is the most popular president in history" I just think...."NO, Trump is just the most polarizing president in history" My mom and Dad NEVER voted D in their 80+ year lives voted for Biden. They COULDN'T STAND Trump. They voted for someone and a party they didn't believe in just because they disliked Trump so much. I feel this was the biggest downfall for Trump. I also believe this is largely how Trump was elected in the first place, MANY plugged their nose, voted for Trump just because they couldn't stand voting for Hitlary.

I do think many hoped Trump would buck the establishment...but I don't think he did. I personally feel he used it for his own financial gain. "Not taking a salary" aside, I feel Trump is the master at engineering things for his own best interest (and his families) I feel this was done quite heavily.
 
Pizza boxes, litter, etc.? That doesn't sound like insurrection to me. Especially compared to the rampant destruction occurring in cities these last two years.

I'm surprised I didn't see some FB post saying, "it's okay, they have insurance..." like folks were/are saying when businesses are looted and destroyed.
In my opinion, storming the capital of the United States of America is not on the same scale as trashing the local autozone. Both are bad, but regardless of what you think of the intent of both groups, its not the same thing.
 

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In my opinion, storming the capital of the United States of America is not on the same scale as trashing the local autozone. Both are bad, but regardless of what you think of the intent of both groups, its not the same thing.
Agreed, one thing is not like the other. Looting a Target for "social justice" reasons is bad and dumb. Disrupting the peaceful transfer of power of the United States Government (for the first time in history, might I add) is on another level.

But as I mentioned before, its the grey squirrels that really run this place. :spork:
 

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This is what I feel has happened in most of the last few elections. When many Trump supporters try to use the "Yeah, Joe Biden is the most popular president in history" I just think...."NO, Trump is just the most polarizing president in history" My mom and Dad NEVER voted D in their 80+ year lives voted for Biden. They COULDN'T STAND Trump. They voted for someone and a party they didn't believe in just because they disliked Trump so much. I feel this was the biggest downfall for Trump. I also believe this is largely how Trump was elected in the first place, MANY plugged their nose, voted for Trump just because they couldn't stand voting for Hitlary.

I do think many hoped Trump would buck the establishment...but I don't think he did. I personally feel he used it for his own financial gain. "Not taking a salary" aside, I feel Trump is the master at engineering things for his own best interest (and his families) I feel this was done quite heavily.
Trump is now worth a fraction of what he was when he entered office. I'm interested to hear how you feel he "used it for his own financial gain"? I don't love Trump. I don't think any politicians care about the voters, especially at a federal level. You have to be mentally unstable to run for federal office in my opinion.
 
Quite honestly, I get the outrage and I have my own questions about the election, but what did these "patriots" think was going to happen - They were going to hold a gun to someones head or intimidate them enough to say your candidate won? I get the emotion behind it, just not the logic. To me, it doesn't make any more sense than the looters burning down their own neighborhoods. This is not how things are resolved at the stage we are at as a society. There are nations where that may be the only thing that would work, but I believe there are still many other options in the USA.
 

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If this turns out to be true, then I'd not call it a very big leap to say that they were also involved in Jan 6.

Ray Epps, anybody? Despite the "fact checkers" he's being protected by the FBI.
 
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