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Stephen said:

Each party is a private entity that can run its primaries how they want. Its not like a general election. And the DNC is in this game to win, they've done the math. They see that Trump is the current front runner for the GOP nomination and they know another Trump vs. Biden matchup means Biden wins again, no matter how unpopular he is. This is why they wont hold debates and why they will do everything they can to promote Trump and tie Trump to any GOP candidate, just like they did in the 2020 general and the 2018 and 2022 senate and house races. Trump is a loser, probably the biggest political loser of the 21st century. The DNC knows this and knows that even with their abysmal polling numbers and unpopular platform, if they put it up against Trump or Trump affiliated candidates, they'll still win.

The system isn't rigged, it's just like any other game. Those who use the rules to their advantage win. The DNC is doing that very well at the national level right now.

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The system is crazy. Biden and Trump are inevitable. Democrats don’t want Biden, and Republicans don’t want Trump, but nobody is strong enough to stop either of them, so the voters are left with yet another Sophie’s choice between a gibberish corpse propped up by the socialists, and a seditionist bent on revenge to assuage his vanity.

At least the entertainment value will be high.

johngottfredson said:

The system is crazy. Biden and Trump are inevitable. Reasonable Democrats don’t want Biden, and Reasonable Republicans don’t want Trump, but the media wants that race for ratings and to continue to prop up their business model, so the voters are left with yet another Sophie’s choice between a gibberish corpse propped up by the socialists, and a seditionist bent on revenge to assuage his vanity.

At least the entertainment value will be high.

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FIFY

Stephen said:

Each party is a private entity that can run its primaries how they want. Its not like a general election. And the DNC is in this game to win, they've done the math. They see that Trump is the current front runner for the GOP nomination and they know another Trump vs. Biden matchup means Biden wins again, no matter how unpopular he is. This is why they wont hold debates and why they will do everything they can to promote Trump and tie Trump to any GOP candidate, just like they did in the 2020 general and the 2018 and 2022 senate and house races. Trump is a loser, probably the biggest political loser of the 21st century. The DNC knows this and knows that even with their abysmal polling numbers and unpopular platform, if they put it up against Trump or Trump affiliated candidates, they'll still win.

The system isn't rigged, it's just like any other game. Those who use the rules to their advantage win. The DNC is doing that very well at the national level right now.

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By all means, keep hitching your horse to the octogenarian who clearly has dementia then Stephen. The premise of "at least he's not Trump" has served our country SO well over the past few years eh?

"The great unifier"...

And before you jump to conclusions, no I am no advocating for Trump.

spaggyroe said:

By all means, keep hitching your horse to the octogenarian who clearly has dementia then Stephen. The premise of "at least he's not Trump" has served our country SO well over the past few years eh?

"The great unifier"...

And before you jump to conclusions, no I am no advocating for Trump.

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Pretty sure Stephen was making an observation on the DNC’s thinking, rather than cheering on Biden

spaggyroe said:

By all means, keep hitching your horse to the octogenarian who clearly has dementia then Stephen. The premise of "at least he's not Trump" has served our country SO well over the past few years eh?

"The great unifier"...

And before you jump to conclusions, no I am no advocating for Trump.

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You jumped to the conclusion that I've hitched my horse to Biden. All I was doing is stating the obvious; Trump vs. Biden = Biden wins. The best way forward is for the GOP to jettison the Trump cult of personality and choose someone new as their standard bearer.

Stephen said:

You jumped to the conclusion that I've hitched my horse to Biden. All I was doing is stating the obvious; Trump vs. Biden = Biden wins. The best way forward is for the GOP to jettison the Trump cult of personality and choose someone new as their standard bearer.

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So you're saying that you're NOT a Biden supporter?

EDIT: By the way, I agree with your statement that the GOP needs to jettison the cult of personality.

johngottfredson said:

Pretty sure Stephen was making an observation on the DNC’s thinking, rather than cheering on Biden

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Odd that he's defensive of a party that he's not "cheering on"

spaggyroe said:

So you're saying that you're NOT a Biden supporter?

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That is correct. Nor am I a Trump supporter (clearly). Been proudly un-affiliated with any political party since Y2K. Registered as a Republican briefly in 2016 solely to caucus against Trump. Immediately changed back to un-affiliated the next day.

spaggyroe said:

Odd that he's defensive of a party that he's not "cheering on"

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What I wrote was simply that no, the system is not rigged. Its just that the DNC is better at playing the game than the GOP currently. Am I happy about that? Not particularly because I don't agree with most of what the Dem's stand for in 2023. But it's the facts.

Stephen said:

The system isn't rigged, it's just like any other game. Those who use the rules to their advantage win. The DNC is doing that very well at the national level right now.

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If you've paid attention to any number of sources (Twitter files being a good example) then you would know that the system is absolutely rigged. You're just looking at it from the perspective of the victor in this last election. That story suits your narrative.

Stephen said:

That is correct. Nor am I a Trump supporter (clearly). Been proudly un-affiliated with any political party since Y2K. Registered as a Republican briefly in 2016 solely to caucus against Trump. Immediately changed back to un-affiliated the next day.



If you read that as defensive, then you must be easily offended. What I wrote was simply that no, the system is not rigged. Its just that the DNC is better at playing the game than the GOP currently.

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No offense on my end. I truly couldn't care less of your opinion.

spaggyroe said:

If you've paid attention to any number of sources (Twitter files being a good example) then you would know that the system is absolutely rigged. You're just looking at it from the perspective of the victor in this last election. That story suits your narrative.

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But you were specifically complaining about the DNC primary:

spaggyroe said:

Also, the DNC plans to not hold ANY primary debates in the upcoming election cycle.
Tell me this system isn't rigged...

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My reply was specific to that.
If you want to discuss the media-industrial complex, thats a different conversation from what you posited.

Stephen said:

But you were specifically complaining about the DNC primary:



My reply was specific to that.
If you want to discuss the media-industrial complex, thats a different conversation from what you posited.

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I was NOT specifically talking about the DNC primary. I was talking about the election cycle in general, but I digress. I genuinely do like you Stephen, but we (obviously) have differing opinions and neither of us are going to sway the other. I'll just say that our political system has become a dumpster fire that is sinking in an open cesspool... and I no longer have faith in that system... and leave this conversation at that.

oh, and stop trying to twist my words.

I'm not sure how your statements about the DNC not holding any primary debates is not about their primary. Since the parties don't debate until they have their final candidates. 🤷‍♂️ Also, I am not sure how that also means the system is rigged.

I read what Stephen wrote and understood he was not advocating nor supporting the DNC 🤷‍♂️

spaggyroe said:

No offense on my end. I truly couldn't care less of your opinion.

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Then why are you replying?

spaggyroe said:

I was NOT specifically talking about the DNC primary. I was talking about the election cycle in general, but I digress. I genuinely do like you Stephen, but we (obviously) have differing opinions and neither of us are going to sway the other. I'll just say that our political system has become a dumpster fire that is sinking in an open cesspool... and I no longer have faith in that system... and leave this conversation at that.

oh, and stop trying to twist my words.

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spaggyroe said:

Also, the DNC plans to not hold ANY primary debates in the upcoming election cycle.
Tell me this system isn't rigged...

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Not sure how that quote couldn't be any more specific about the DNC or how repeating your words back to you verbatim is twisting them? Maybe I'm too old to understand Millennial debating standards?

On the point that we have differing opinions, not really sure I see much of that either. Neither of us like Trump. Neither of us like Biden. Both of us agree that its bad that the DNC in its current form is better at winning national elections and that the GOP is currently enthrall to a cult of personality.

I guess we diverge in a lost faith over our political system. I can't think of a better form of government than a constitutional representative democracy, and the American version of that has proven to be one of the most resilient in the world (Second only to the UK, but they're a bit different. Monarchy, no written constitution, all that.). We're in a rough spot right now, but its not the first time our country has been in one, nor is this even the worst. If we the people exercise our franchise at every opportunity then things will improve. Look at local elections in the last few cycles and how they're starting to shift the country broadly in a more traditional, small-c conservative direction. Albeit slowly, but it's happening.

I think we can all agree that neither option represents the American majority (if such a thing exists), both parties are slaves to private interest, and no 76+ year old person is the most qualified person to lead our country. I don't think either of those bumbling idiots are qualified to be much more than crossing guards or greeters, but if I had to pick one to help my kid cross the street, I'd choose Biden. Trump would stop the bus by pushing a kid in front of it just so he could pick up a ten dollar bill on the ground.

Cody said:

I think we can all agree that neither option represents the American majority (if such a thing exists), both parties are slaves to private interest, and no 76+ year old person is the most qualified person to lead our country. I don't think either of those bumbling idiots are qualified to be much more than crossing guards or greeters, but if I had to pick one to help my kid cross the street, I'd choose Biden. Trump would stop the bus by pushing a kid in front of it just so he could pick up a ten dollar bill on the ground.

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Agreed. Its time for a generational shift in our national political leadership.

I like your crossing guard analogy. Personally if I saw either of them manning the crosswalk, I'd take my kid to the other side of the road and walk them all the way to the front door myself. Don't think either of them is competent enough to entrust the with the safety of children.

Trump would be a perfect Walmart greeter, though. I feel like thats his target demographic, so whatever store he was at would see a huge bump in foot traffic.

Cody said:

. Trump would stop the bus by pushing a kid in front of it just so he could pick up a ten dollar bill on the ground.

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I think trump gets his glory from being the 'hero'. Take all the hate for him and rhetoric away and look at his actions. He thinks he's the greatest and acts that way. He doesn't act 'greedy' IMO.

IE: Gives random lady in crowd job at his hotels. Brings his own water to town in need. gave up his pay as President. Often pays $10,000-$25,000 to people down on their luck. etc

Now I’m just thinking of JB sniffing kids as they walk by. Trump would just tell everyone he’s the best crossing guard ever. Weird either way.

jeeper said:

I think trump gets his glory from being the 'hero'. Take all the hate for him and rhetoric away and look at his actions. He thinks he's the greatest and acts that way. He doesn't act 'greedy' IMO.

IE: Gives random lady in crowd job at his hotels. Brings his own water to town in need. gave up his pay as President. Often pays $10,000-$25,000 to people down on their luck. etc

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Yeah, if you read about Trump's random acts of charity over the years its kinda odd compared to the confrontational persona he's adopted. I remember reading long before he was a political figure about how he'd see a random construction crews in NYC on a hot day and order lunch and drinks delivered from his car phone. Not even one of his building projects. That said, good PR for him. And he loves attention.

Stephen said:

Yeah, if you read about Trump's random acts of charity over the years its kinda odd compared to the confrontational persona he's adopted. I remember reading long before he was a political figure about how he'd see a random construction crews in NYC on a hot day and order lunch and drinks delivered from his car phone. Not even one of his building projects. That said, good PR for him. And he loves attention.

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Those are standard narcissistic behaviors.