Tow Rig info for Noobs

sixstringsteve

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I'm playing with the format. Any suggestions are welcome.

1/2 ton towing capacity (very generic, just for a starting point) - up to 6,000 lbs.
3/4 ton towing capacity (very generic, just for a starting point) - up to 12,000 lbs
1 ton towing capacity (very generic, just for a starting point) - usually duallies, they go above 12.000 lbs typically

bumper pull
5th wheel
gooseneck


Diesel
Pros - Great fuel economy. Fuel economy doesn't change much when towing. Long-lasting engines (typically). Lots and lots of torque. Great resale value.
Cons - Maintenance costs can get pricey. Running out of fuel does more damage in a diesel than a gasser. Not all regular mechanics know how to, or have the tools to repair diesels. Some repairs will require a mechanic who specializes in diesels.
recommended for:Those who will be towing heavy loads or those who tow regularly. Not recommended for daily driving short distances; the engines last a lot longer when they get warm.

Diesel Buyer's Guide


Gas
Pros - Typically A little less maintenance, and cheaper maintenance. Gassers don't require a diesel mechanic to service them.
Cons - Poor fuel economy. Mileage goes down significantly when towing.
recommended for: Those who will use the vehicle for DD duties, and occasionally tow.


Dually vs srw. pros and cons. helpful info in deciding what to choose

Link to safe towing guidelines/suggestions
 
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sixstringsteve

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Chevy/GMC
1500
tow capacity _________
MPG (per engine)
Generations:
Known Issues:

2500
tow capacity _________
MPG (per engine)
Generations:
Known Issues:
2500HD/3500 Some of the t-cases had an oil pump that wore through the case and leaked out all the oil. There is a fix: http://www.thedieselpage.com/reviews/tcase.htm

3500
tow capacity _________
MPG (per engine)
Generations:
Known Issues:
2500HD/3500 Some of the t-cases had an oil pump that wore through the case and leaked out all the oil. There is a fix: http://www.thedieselpage.com/reviews/tcase.htm


Suburban/Yukon XL
MPG (per engine)
Generations:
Known Issues:
2500HD Some of the t-cases had an oil pump that wore through the case and leaked out all the oil. There is a fix: http://www.thedieselpage.com/reviews/tcase.htm


HD???
Years for allisson
Years for 8.1
Years for dmax
4-door years
 
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sixstringsteve

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Dodge
1500 tow capacity _________
MPG (per engine)
Generations:
Known Issues:

RAM 250/2500
tow capacity _________
MPG (per engine)
Generations:
Known Issues:
Diesels:
1994–1998 Cummins 12-valve Diesel I6
1998–2002 Cummins ISB 24-valve Diesel I6
2003–2004 SO 5.9 L Cummins diesel I6
2003–2004 SO (CA Emissions) 5.9 L Cummins diesel I6
2003–2004 HO 5.9 L Cummins diesel I6
2004.5–2007 5.9 L Cummins diesel I6
2007.5–2009 6.7 L Cummins diesel I6

Gassers:
2003–2009 5.7 L Hemi V8
2003 8 L Magnum V10




RAM 350/3500
tow capacity _________
MPG (per engine)
Generations:
Known Issues:

Diesels:
1994–1998 Cummins 12-valve Diesel I6
1998–2002 Cummins ISB 24-valve Diesel I6
2003–2004 SO 5.9 L Cummins diesel I6
2003–2004 SO (CA Emissions) 5.9 L Cummins diesel I6
2003–2004 HO 5.9 L Cummins diesel I6
2004.5–2007 5.9 L Cummins diesel I6
2007.5–2009 6.7 L Cummins diesel I6

Gassers:
2003–2009 5.7 L Hemi V8
2003 8 L Magnum V10


4-door years
 
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sixstringsteve

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Ford

F-250

'87-'91: 3/4 ton (8,800 lb GVWR max)
Engines available:
1987: 6.9L IDI - TTB IFS
1987-'91: 7.3 L (445 CID) International Harvester IDI diesel V8 - TTB IFS​



'92-'96/97: F-250: 3/4 ton (8,500 lb GVWR max) (HD model got 9,000 GVWR max)
Engines available:
7.3 L Diesel V8 1992–94 IDI - TTB IFS
7.3 L Diesel V8 1992.5–94 IDI Turbo - TTB IFS
7.3 L Diesel V8 1994–97 DI Turbo, Powerstroke - TTB IFS​



SUPERDUTY '97-: F-250s finally got the solid front axles that the F-350 had (dana 50 and 60)

in 1997, the 4wd 250s got the solid front axle and ditched the TTB.


F-350

8th Generation('87-91)
Rear antilock brakes were now standard,. The manual transmission was revised with five speeds in 1988, and the flareside box was dropped.

In 1988, the 6.9 L (420 CID) diesel V8 was replaced with a 7.3 L (445 CID) International Harvester IDI diesel V8.

Automatic locking hubs were added to the F-150 in 1989, and for the rest in 1991.

1980 to 1996, Ford offered a four-wheel-drive swing arm independent front suspension called Twin-Traction Beam, or TTB.

Radius arms and coil springs were still used on the F-150's, while the four-wheel-drive F-250s and F-350s got leaf springs. The F-250s received TTB Dana 50 axles and the F-350s got a solid axle Dana 60. The 5.0 L (302 CID) truck also had an optional "Touch Drive" electronic transfer case.

The "F-Super Duty" (as the fender emblems stated) models appeared from 1987 to 1997. They were basically F-450s built as an "incomplete vehicle" (chassis cab) due to the fact that there was no bed installed and an aftermarket bed (specific to its future use) was added after the truck's initial build date. It came with dual fuel tanks with a dash-mounted toggle switch to switch between each tank while using only the one fuel gauge. It came with a PTO (Power Take-Off) used to power attachments (like winches or a dump bed) from the transmission. They were rated at about 15,000 lb (6,800 kg) GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating). They came with either the standard 7.5 L (460 CID) gas V8 or the optional 7.3 L (445 CID) diesel V8. All wheels were 10-lug with DRW (Dual Rear Wheels). This model should not be confused with the "Super Duty" commercial line of trucks starting with the 1999 model year.

The models are:
F-150: 1/2 ton (6,250 lb GVWR max)
F-250: 3/4 ton (8,800 lb GVWR max)
F-350: 1 ton (11,000 lb GVWR max)
F-Super Duty: 1 ton plus (15,000 lb GVWR max)

Engine Years

6.9 L Diesel V8 1987 IDI
7.3 L Diesel V8 1987–91 IDI



9th Generation ('92-96/97)

The 1992 truck received a new aerodynamic-looking front end, a new dashboard, and the Flareside bed returned.

The 1994 models brought several changes, including a driver's-side airbag, "CHMSL" third brake light, brake-shift interlock and CFC-free air conditioning. New options in 1994 included remote keyless entry with alarm, a compact disc player fitted into the regular stereo system, and a power driver's seat.

Models:
F-150: 1/2 ton (6,100 lb GVWR max)
F-250: 3/4 ton (8,500 lb GVWR max)
F-250 HD: 1992–1997 Heavy Duty 3/4 ton (9,000 GVWR max)
F-350: 1 ton (10,000 lb GVWR max)
F-Super Duty: 1 ton plus (15,000 lb GVWR max)



7.3 L Diesel V8 1992–94 185 hp (138 kW) 360 lb·ft (490 N·m) IDI
7.3 L Diesel V8 1992.5–94 190 hp (140 kW) 390 lb·ft (530 N·m) IDI Turbo
7.3 L Diesel V8 1994–97 235 hp (175 kW) 525 lb·ft (712 N·m) DI Turbo, Powerstroke

The 7.5 L and diesel engines were not available on the F-150



10th Generation ('97-'04)
To build anticipation for the redesigned truck, the 1997 model was released in January 1996 with the first ad campaigns airing during Super Bowl XXX. Because of the radical styling, Ford predicted that traditional truck buyers wouldn't receive the radical and car-like 1997 too well, so it continued to produce and sell the previous 1996 model alongside the redesigned 1997 model for a few months.

The regular F-250 (light duty) was basically an F-150 with the same body panels but with heavy duty axles and suspension, along with 7 lug wheels. Additionally, the F-250 Light Duty also offered a load leveling rear suspension system. The F-250 HD (Heavy Duty) was in the same series as the F-350. With the arrival of the all new 1999 "Super Duty" series in early 1998, the standard F-250 ('light duty'), F-250HD (Heavy Duty), & F-350 line was totally dropped and the F-250 (light duty), which was a temporary model from the start, became the "7700" package for the F-150 (noted on the tailgate emblem).

1999–2003 Ford F-150 SuperCab long bed
Completely new, more efficient engines were offered beginning in 1997. A 4.2 L OHV V6, based on Ford's 3.8 L Essex V6, replaced the 4.9 L OHV I6, while 4.6 and 5.4 liter SOHC V8s replaced the 5.0 and 5.8 liter OHV V8s, also the 7.5 liter big block V8 was replaced by the 6.8 liter V10 for the super duty models respectively. The 4.6 and 5.4 liter V8s were marketed under the name "Triton" and mark the first use of Ford's Modular Single Overhead Cam (SOHC) engines in the F-Series pickups.

A wide variety of body options were available: regular cab and SuperCab, standard or flareside boxes, and short and long beds. In 2001 the SuperCrew cab was introduced with four full-size doors. In 2002, an FX4 model was introduced which came with skid plates,a carbon steel frame, Rancho shock absorbers, and specific 17" aluminum wheels along with more standard features that were optional on XLT.


11th ('04-08)
12th ('09-today)




f-350
MPG ________________
Known Issues:

Years for IDI
Years for PSD
Cavitation issues
F250 – ’97 and up got the solid front axle.
4-door years

Notes:

1980 - 1996, Ford offered a four-wheel-drive swing arm independent front suspension called Twin-Traction Beam, or TTB on the f150 and f250

All of the super dutys have a solid axle. Super dutys were intruduced in 1998 as a 1999 model year. Most of the super dutys use a solid dana 50 up front. It looks identical to the dana 60 until you tear it down. All of the 1997 and older f-350's had a dana 60 in them.

Ford started to use the solid D60 again in 85.5 and ALL F350's used it up to 97. All F250's in the 90's used the TTB D50 and it is a very strong axle, but the problem lies in its design. If there is any misalignment tires will wear funny and there are many more components compared to the solid beam. I don't think the front end is a deal breaker by any means, but few shops know how to properly align one these days. Swapping in a D60 in these trucks is very easy if you find one from a 85.5-97 donor--the newer style that came in the Super Duty's are different.


I belive only half tons got air bags in 94. My 96 f-250 does not.
Dana 60 in the F350 changed from a kingpin to a ball joint in 1992.
You stated that the light duty f-250(7lug truck) in 1997 has load leveling suspension?
Never seen that before. I know some of the expeditions got that bs.

I will add that no F250's (OBS) up to (and including) 97 models received the front dana 60 axle. It wasn't until the 99 model year (released in 98) with the new Super Duty body style when the F250's finally got the solid beam front axle D50. Although the design changed a lot the F350's always kept the solid D60. Some Super Duty F250's (99 and later) have popped up with the D60 but for the most part they came with the Solid D50.

Another point of interest is that the factory turbocharged IDI diesel trucks (93-94) produced more power than the Powerstrokes when they first came out. Ford marketing division didn't want to down play the release of the Powerstroke so they rated the IDI-T as having only 15 more horsepower than the naturally aspirated IDI which is a complete joke :D

Depending on gearing, transmission and engine health both turbocharged and non-turbocharged IDI diesels and 7.3 Powerstrokes should get around 16mpg unloaded and as high as the low 20's unloaded as a good rule of thumb but there are exceptions.


Excursion


http://www.youtube.com/user/powerstrokehelp
 
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sixstringsteve

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I could have some misinformation, so let me know if I goofed anywhere.

So far, the F-250 is where I've spent most of my time compiling the info. I'll branch out to the other ones when I have time.

All this came from Wikipedia and my noob tow questions thread. I'm just trying to weed out the irrelevant info and leave the good stuff.
 
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jentzschman

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I like the f250 as well. Starting to think I may go that way when I get ready to get a tow rig. I love the quad cabs and the Dodge dont have any in the year range I am looking for.
 

sixstringsteve

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...and why do you need a diesel mechanic to work on them???

I could be wrong about this as well, but the mechanics of a diesel engine are pretty different from a gas engine. Most mechanics aren't familiar enough with diesels to work on them.
 
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Tacoma

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You are kind of wrong on that. They're different, but I'm not scared of working on them.... ??? But then, I read factory manuals.

EDIT: one thing that IS true is the injection pumps etc, are pretty specialized, and there are some specialized tools needed for some of the diesels.... I keep thinking "Cummins" when I hear "diesel". Cummins motors make sense.
 

sixstringsteve

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I know there are going to be exceptions, but don't you think it's worth mentioning that most noobs who don't know any better won't be able to just take their diesel to their regular mechanic and expect them to be able to do engine work? I know my mechanic doesn't work on diesels, and he's a KILLER mechanic.

There, I fixed it.
 
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Tacoma

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I see and concede the point, sometimes I forget that there are in fact people who don't work on their own rigs every time something goes wrong with it. :D
 

Toad

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Yes running a diesel out of fuel is hard on parts. Diesel is a natural lube. It increases wear on injectors, pumps etc. Is it going to kill a motor the first time it happens? Not likely. That being said dont do it.

Couple of things about your ford stuff. I belive only half tons got air bags in 94. My 96 f-250 does not.
Dana 60 in the F350 changed from a kingpin to a ball joint in 1992.
You stated that the light duty f-250(7lug truck) in 1997 has load leveling suspension?
Never seen that before. I know some of the expeditions got that bs.

Overall for helpful for some one looking for a few pointers.
 

Toad

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By the way working on a diesel is much different than a gas motor.
The biggest problem for most techs is that they dont know how. The fuel systems are different, they have turbos, high pressure oil pumps, etc. All of the big three diesels are very different. Replace a water pump on a cummins then replace one a d-max.
 

sixstringsteve

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Toad, I really want to thank you for reading through the thread and helping me correct any errors. This thread shouldn't be started by a noob, it should be started by someone knowledgable :D

I'll just rely on the knowledgable people to catch the errors for me. Thanks again.
 
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