2015 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel

Greg

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Greg

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... I've read that the DieselGate emission fixes for VW in europe are hurting fuel economy, and I imagine the same thing will happen with the EcoDiesel if they have to recall...
I'm curious what the issue is with the Ecodiesel emissions, I don't think this is anywhere near as bad as the VW TDI emissions scandal. The 2009+ TDI's were built so they would pass emissions while on a dyno (back wheels stationary, steering wheel not moving, etc) and then revert back to their normal tune the rest of the time, emitting 10x the legal NOx limits. Sergio Marchionne (FCA CEO) is adamant that the Ecodiesel issues are nowhere near as severe as the VW TDI emissions cheat.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/chrysler/2017/01/12/fiat-chrysler-diesel-emissions/96485778/

At the heart of the dispute appears to be the company’s use of auxiliary emission control devices (AECDs), which automakers can legally use to deactivate a vehicle’s emission control system in certain conditions. The company contends the vehicles are fully in compliance with regulations; however, Marchionne did not completely dispute some software may not have been disclosed.

“Anything which is undisclosed by definition is a defeat device, and if I use that standard, that would encompass our case and a gazillion other cases where so-called undisclosed AECDs have been established,” he said. “There are defeat devices that are designed to defeat the test cycle. Those are two different things. And this software doesn’t look for anything. It just runs. All the time.”



VW had been allowed to re-tune 2015+ TDI's and the US owners are saying that the reduced power and MPG's of the emissions legal tune is hardly noticable.
 

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Greg, your quote above hit it right on. He just (forgot?) didn't disclose some aecd. Had they done this there would be no problems. I really hope this all blows over. Though if I get some sort of compinsation for a retune that will be ok. I plan on an aftermarket tune in the next month or so to get rid of the terrible (dangerous) turbo lag.

The speculation on the ecodiesel forum is that fca is scrapping this motor as we speak. I think it's safe to say owners don't trust it. Fca scored with it though and proved there is a market for it. Seems like I read they are working with cummins on the next motor.

I love my ecodiesel. It really is the perfect truck for hauling up to about 9k pounds.
 

rholbrook

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clfrnacwby

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I'm curious what the issue is with the Ecodiesel emissions, I don't think this is anywhere near as bad as the VW TDI emissions scandal. The 2009+ TDI's were built so they would pass emissions while on a dyno (back wheels stationary, steering wheel not moving, etc) and then revert back to their normal tune the rest of the time, emitting 10x the legal NOx limits. Sergio Marchionne (FCA CEO) is adamant that the Ecodiesel issues are nowhere near as severe as the VW TDI emissions cheat.
Here is what I found:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108598_2017-ram-jeep-diesels-should-be-certified-by-epa-shortly-company-says

The EPA announced earlier this month that Fiat Chrysler Automobiles had failed to disclose eight separate software routines that affect the engine's emissions, each of which is a violation of the Clean Air Act.
So...basically the same as VW? Of course, FCA denies this:

The FCA CEO has denied that any illegal software is present in these vehicles, and added that anyone drawing a comparison between the complaint against FCA and the Volkswagen diesel scandal is "smoking illegal material."
 

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VW admitted to changing the programming so that the cars would perform better.

FCA is saying right now that their reprogramming is in areas that are necessary to avoid engine damage (which is allowed), ie, cold start ups, etc. They just failed to inform the EPA about those reprograms, which is not allowed.

It's not the same as VW....yet.
 

rholbrook

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You wouldn't say that if you've seen a picture of the new truck......
i had to look it up and wow. It looks like something FIAT would design for Europe. In Mexico Dodge has a little truck that looks just like it so I am wondering if we are all being messed with. VW has a way sick little 4 door truck with the diesel that I would love to own
 

clfrnacwby

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My kids had Spring Break last week so we took a trip down South. Vegas to visit my in-laws, then down to SoCal to Universal Studios, back to Vegas for Easter, and then home last night. Here is a snapshot of our travel totals. This is traveling 82mph through Utah, 78 through Nevada and stop-and-go traffic in SoCal...:rolleyes:

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clfrnacwby

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Is the computer pretty accurate? My computers in past cars were always 2-3mpg optimistic. Regardless, that is some great mpg.
Yes, computer is accurate...always within .5 mpg so it's likely margin of error on my side. I'm excited for the Ecodiesel's future.
 

DAA

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My 2013 Hemi 1500, the computer is usually optimistic by about .7 MPG on daily driving and short hops. But on long road trips, it usually under reports by a few tenths. But the better the MPG actually is on road trips, the more it tends to under report, by sometimes over 1 MPG. Last one, I hand calculated just under 20.8 MPG after almost 350 miles of highway but the computer said 19.6.

It's always at least that close though.

- DAA
 

clfrnacwby

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Banks Power will soon be releasing their new Derringer inline tuner for a number of applications, including the Ecodiesel. It looks like they were successful in pulling 90hp and 116lb ft torque out of the Ecoboost - I highly doubt they'll get those numbers out of the Ecodiesel. I've heard tuners can MAYBE pull an extra 30-35hp out of the Ecodiesel, which won't make it worth the cost. We'll see!

https://www.facebook.com/bankspower/videos/1682219095141498/
 
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GDE is the whos who in the ecodiesel world for tuning. Their base tune I think is like 30 hp, but more importantly it gets rid of the dangerous turbo lag and egr.

No one buys an ecodiesel because they wanted a fast truck.
 
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