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UT410

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I’ve been considering getting the jab lately. My brother in law is in the ICU in Boise right now. Intubated and not doing well. It’s not looking good. Leaving a wife and 5 kids. He turned 40 the day they moved him in.
the whole family got it. He was the only one that was bad. Head cold for the rest of them. They are all better now.

I think that is absolutely insane your Dr won’t report it for what it is.
How sure are you that it is a small percentage with a reaction to the jab? If your Dr won’t report it, I’m sure there are many many more doing the same thing

I’m back to saying thanks but no thanks. For now anyway


The holes in reporting data are massive.
 
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xjtony

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Grantsville, Ut
The holes in reporting data are massive.
According to the CDC doctors are not really required to report side effects to the jab. That's why they started the VAERS system to allow that data to come directly from the patients. I would guess that at some point a board reviews all of the submissions to determine if there is a trend or if they are just coincidental. I personally know multiple people who have had similar issues (with varying severity). Since I really only talk to a handful of people on a daily basis that would lead me to speculate that Modernas claim of roughy 1000 people world wide having heart issues is far under reported. Or people I know just have bad luck, which is possible.
 

xjtony

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Grantsville, Ut
I’ve been considering getting the jab lately. My brother in law is in the ICU in Boise right now. Intubated and not doing well. It’s not looking good. Leaving a wife and 5 kids. He turned 40 the day they moved him in.
the whole family got it. He was the only one that was bad. Head cold for the rest of them. They are all better now.

I think that is absolutely insane your Dr won’t report it for what it is.
How sure are you that it is a small percentage with a reaction to the jab? If your Dr won’t report it, I’m sure there are many many more doing the same thing

I’m back to saying thanks but no thanks. For now anyway
My biggest issue is doctor's apparently just wholesale pushing the vaccine without screening patients to make sure it's as safe as possible. For probably 95% of people or more it's totally fine, but there is very little screening going on. A guy at work just got his second Pfizer-BioNtech shot at the health department yesterday. He's healthy and just feels crappy, but at no point was he ever asked about any medications or pre-existing conditions.
My other issue, and has been since the begining, is the politicized witch hunt saying that unvaccinated people are a danger to those who are vaccinated. The opposite is really true. The vaccine clearly makes a difference of the severity of the infection, but has done nothing to stem the spread of the virus. Vaccinated people are a danger to those who are not vaccinated ( I've had confirmed exposures several times in the last 3 months, all from fully vaccinated people). Instead of protecting people who cannot, for any reason, get the vaccine we are attacking them and claiming they are a danger to others. My wife is a good example. She has had serious reactions to vaccines in the past and has a weak immune system from T1D. Her doctor doesn't want her to get the shot because it could be dangerous. The system should be trying to help protect her instead of vilifying her for that choice. We have talked about having to take extra precautions because we won't be vaccinated, but we are in no way a threat to anyone who has the shot (or the shot is not doing what they claim it is).
 

Pike2350

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Salt Lake City
My biggest issue is doctor's apparently just wholesale pushing the vaccine without screening patients to make sure it's as safe as possible. For probably 95% of people or more it's totally fine, but there is very little screening going on. A guy at work just got his second Pfizer-BioNtech shot at the health department yesterday. He's healthy and just feels crappy, but at no point was he ever asked about any medications or pre-existing conditions.
My other issue, and has been since the begining, is the politicized witch hunt saying that unvaccinated people are a danger to those who are vaccinated. The opposite is really true. The vaccine clearly makes a difference of the severity of the infection, but has done nothing to stem the spread of the virus. Vaccinated people are a danger to those who are not vaccinated ( I've had confirmed exposures several times in the last 3 months, all from fully vaccinated people). Instead of protecting people who cannot, for any reason, get the vaccine we are attacking them and claiming they are a danger to others. My wife is a good example. She has had serious reactions to vaccines in the past and has a weak immune system from T1D. Her doctor doesn't want her to get the shot because it could be dangerous. The system should be trying to help protect her instead of vilifying her for that choice. We have talked about having to take extra precautions because we won't be vaccinated, but we are in no way a threat to anyone who has the shot (or the shot is not doing what they claim it is).

I completely agree with your sentiment. I don't know of anyone that that thinks those that have compromised immune systems and is recommended by a Dr. NOT to get the vaccine are being selfish or would vilify them for that. I think most people just don't agree with people not getting the vaccine AND continuing to act in a way that has little regard for other people around them. It seems to be the more common type of person to vilify....not that I agree with that either.

I do think there needs to be much more consultation with health professionals prior to getting the shot. Anyone with heart/blood issues should definately do that...and hopefully the Dr.'s are honest, upfront and willing to report the truths, regardless of how they come out. I believe this should all be much more transparent then it has been.

I do wonder if in the future something is found that shows how/why some people have such strong reactions to either the virus or the vaccine. Is there a gene that somehow comes into play? It is just so bizarre to me how both can affect people. With the way the virus has been politicized from the start, I don't think any information will come out for a long time...and even then, it likely will be looked at with very skeptical eyes by the public.
 

Mouse

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West Haven, UT
Neighbor couple came down with COVID a couple weeks ago. She was vaccinated earlier in the year, he never got the shots. After 16 days he is feeling almost 100% (a little cough) but she is still hammered. The had another COVID test this week and both were positive
 

UT410

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Holladay
According to the CDC doctors are not really required to report side effects to the jab. That's why they started the VAERS system to allow that data to come directly from the patients. I would guess that at some point a board reviews all of the submissions to determine if there is a trend or if they are just coincidental. I personally know multiple people who have had similar issues (with varying severity). Since I really only talk to a handful of people on a daily basis that would lead me to speculate that Modernas claim of roughy 1000 people world wide having heart issues is far under reported. Or people I know just have bad luck, which is possible.

100%!

The CDC makes this voluntary though they encourage reporting along with samples, etc., which is partly why redcap is not highly accurate for breakthrough analysis.

It's impossible to track all breakthrough cases. But it's not nearly as difficult to track/report issues after the vaccine. BUT "they" definitely don't want that.

If we had better breakthrough reporting, a lot could be learned, like: vaccine performance (one could be better than another in certain demographics) or issues regarding manufacturing or handling in delivery or on-site (like thawing, storage issues, etc.). We're seeing other countries handle this better, such as Japan. The stigma from breakthrough reporting needs to be removed because emotion and judgement is getting in the way of progress.

Also, the data for factors is incomplete, which I cannot fathom why this doesn't frustrate more people. So, the immunocompromised, people with heart issues, those with diabetes, et al., are making choices (some are made for them - as we see) without a more complete picture - especially with lax reporting standards. If this is something scientists and politicians and medical professional organizations truly want to get ahead of this - this is where doctor's, testing facilities and vaccine administrators should all be mandatory reporting.

As more comprehensive data comes, the reality shows itself.

Tony, I'm glad you're still around, man. I hope you're doing all you can to let your body heal.
 
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xjtony

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Grantsville, Ut
I do wonder if in the future something is found that shows how/why some people have such strong reactions to either the virus or the vaccine. Is there a gene that somehow comes into play? It is just so bizarre to me how both can affect people. With the way the virus has been politicized from the start, I don't think any information will come out for a long time...and even then, it likely will be looked at with very skeptical eyes by the public.
I watched a video from the White Coat Conference this year. The video has been removed from YouTube and i could only find it on Bitchute so I wont put up a link because some would disregard it simply for that. It was a doctor from the Mayo Clinic currently doing research on the protein spikes the vaccines use and their possible negative effects on the human body. They used both a clinical study administering JUST the protein spikes with nothing else, and also cadaver tissue for the study. He had some fairly interesting things to say.

1. The vaccine manufacturers claim that the protein spikes never leave the injection site. They were able to find them in pretty much every ACE2 receptor in the body, including all of the major organs.

2. The protein spikes were engineered to (in big dummy terms for myself to try to understand) inject the coding for the vaccine antibodies into cells so the cells then learn to make the antibodies. In their study this causes damage to the cells. In our muscles or blood this is no big deal, but in our organs those damaged cells cant be replaced. They are replaced by scar tissue...inflammation. In his opinion this inflammation would likely be permanent because the body cant regenerate things like heart cells. He stated that the Mayo Clinic they had seen a huge increase in things like myocarditis since the vaccines had come into full swing.

3. His opinion was that natural immunity was superior to vaccine immunity. He did have reference material sited, and this has been released from the UK as well. He went as far as to say he thought everyone who gets vaccinated should at minimum have an antibody test performed first, and not be vaccinated if they had a load of natural antibodies. He described what happened to me like he was in the room when it happened and said they see this reaction in people who still have natural antibodies in their system. He cited several cases of confirmed death due to this reaction.

He boiled it down better than I have heard it before..... This is the largest 3rd stage clinical trial in human history, and its being forced upon us. The sample size is everyone and, by and large, these drugs are under a EAU. They are not approved for everyday use like other vaccines that are being used as a precedent.

On a related note did anyone notice the CDC announcement yesterday to NOT try and vaccinate kids under 12? Or the paper submittal to the White House urging them to hold off on boosters. The signees, including members of the CDC, see no clinical benefit to boosters past the 2 shots at this time. They may be needed, but there is not much data indicating that they will be at this time. Moderna still hasn't received FDA approval on the vaccine available now and they are already moving on to a yearly flu/covid vaccine for approval. Doesn't seem quite right for some reason.
 

4x4_Welder

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Twin Falls, ID
Doctors are sometimes fairly resistant to reporting issues, for whatever reason. One of the chemo drugs I was given made me stop breathing within about five minutes of the infusion starting. I was given an IV dose of Benadryl, and came back around ok. After the first one I did a little research and found out that acute pulmonary toxicity is a know side effect of Taxotere, and about a 1% possiblity. I brought this up with my oncologist, and she just kinda brushed it off. The next infusion, though, I got an IV dose of Benadryl beforehand, and still had a reaction. I was supposed to have one final dose, but that was changed to Doxorubicin, which I'm pretty sure is why I am having chest pains now.
 
That’s pretty terrifying.
I’m curious if the J&J causes similar spikes… I don’t imagine it does but I’m no scientist.

When I did a little looking in to mRNA vaccines it’s a little bit reassuring seeing that they’ve been doing research/studies for over 30yrs… that is until you see that there have been hundreds if not thousands of trials, and nothing has been approved… seems strange after all that time and research to have an approval now.
 

SAMI

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Even though it is “approved” this is still the clinical trial. You can’t convince me otherwise....... this approval had an immense amount of political pressure behind it.

Not to mention the bait and switch on the approved version. The approved version is hardly available, but the FDA allowed for the earlier version to continue to be used in place of the new one. They are different recipes. Bait and switch.
 

ChestonScout

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Clinton, Ut
There has been some interest so I'll post the link to the video. In the spirit of transparency I have not fact checked it yet. On the surface it appears to be legit and in line with other videos from the conference. He seems willing to share his material for peer review.
Man that is scary
 

Pike2350

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Salt Lake City
There has been some interest so I'll post the link to the video. In the spirit of transparency I have not fact checked it yet. On the surface it appears to be legit and in line with other videos from the conference. He seems willing to share his material for peer review.
Ryan Cole is known to speak to many of the anti-vax groups out there. He is a pathologist....but specializes in dermapathology, not airborne diseases....while I don't discredit his education, his specialty is more related to dermatology then to most of what he even talks about in his speech. He seems to be more of a "let's make money off misinformation" type to me. Hell, the group that put on the "White Coat Summit" are known to be completely anti-vax...so it would surprise me if there was ANY positive information in there...and there wasn't.

His video show pictures with claims they are all "normal" against "spike protein" No real verification to what he is showing. Hell, he even brings up "What happened to the concept of #Metoo, believe her" movement. He sounds very doomsday. While he is correct, the safety data is lacking, and the long term affects are unknown....but so are those of Covid in general. He talks about uterene cancer in the last 6 months...but how/why is he seeing this in the first place? it's not even his speciality

He also has acknowledged, at least in this article (very anti Ryan Cole btw) https://www.yahoo.com/news/rogue-doctor-called-vaccine-needle-093356427.html

Cole frequently tells his listeners, he sees data that suggests the vaccine is harming people's immune systems. He acknowledged to Insider that adverse effects after vaccination are extremely rare, but this point rarely comes up in his talks.

So he likes to scare people by telling them something drastic, but will not talk about the fact that he agrees it's extremely rare. For those that believe his kind of information, they generally develop a distrust for the CDC & Fauci for not acknowledging the extremely rare nature of things related to Covid. So they will distrust the CDC/Fauci, but seem to have little difficulty having the same distrust for speakers like this guy.

I would take much of what he says with a grain of salt. This type of disease isnt' within his specialty....but I know that won't stop others.

I do agree with his assertion of #screenb4vaccine I do think there should be more screening and consultation on the vaccine for people.
 

xjtony

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Grantsville, Ut
@Pike2350 that's why I didn't post it at first because I haven't fact checked it. I agree that he is playing the devil's advocate as far as damage caused by the protein spikes, but there is a point to that as well. We really don't know long term effects from that damage. We take the vaccine to protect from the COVID, but could end up with millions of people down the road with health issues. I think the mesothelioma lawyers could be busy in the future.

I completely agree that the biggest takeaway is there should be MUCH more screening. Many people working in these clinics have no medical education at all. My 19 year old niece is working in one in Alaska and I can assure you she has no medical training that came before day 1 on the job.
 

Spork

Tin Foil Hat Equipped
Got an email today that I have to submit proof of vaccination by Dec 15th or submit for exemption by Oct 29th. If an exemption is granted weekly tests will be required and a mask. It is a blanket requirement "regardless of work location or telecommuting arrangement". So little old me that has been remote since March of 2020 gets to decide what to do at this point.

Just to be clear on my beliefs
I'm not afraid of covid (under 50 and under 200lbs)
I don't believe the "vaccines" help. (maybe they even hurt :spork:)
I believe I still require employment

And the yearly flu shot is required on top of whatever vaccine is picked. At this point I'm wondering if I should look at greener pastures.
 
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