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Cody

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In the past they would subsidize up front not after loans have been taken and agreements made. I think there's a difference between tuition being cheaper than here's 10k because you're in debt.
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I'm talking more education in general. My uncle has 22 kids and gets a tax break for each one, and they all go to pubic schools. I was single independent Cody paying 40% income tax and property taxes without any kids....so having the overall tax base take on the burden of educating society is something we're already doing. Point is that social welfare programs aren't necessarily fair, but they are necessary. I'm fine with subsidizing college, and as someone that paid for his own way through school by working full time, I have no problem with this still.

The cost of that education has gone up disproportionately to inflation since my time, and that is a major problem (THE major problem) but short of having the government regulate the price of education (socialism?) what do you propose? Whether or not you went to college or think college is a waste of money, society benefits from a higher education level. It's literally the driver for almost everything, and we're falling way behind other countries. My suggestion is to start with a base tax, then for every child the parent(s) pay $3600 per year for education until they turn 18 (adjust for inflation). At 18, the child can continue to pay $3600 per year to go to a state college or trade school. If you want to go to a fancier school, you can pay the difference. State schools will need to keep their costs inline in order to receiver the subsidy checks for Uncle Sam for their students.
 
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Cody said:
I'm talking more education in general. My uncle has 22 kids and gets a tax break for each one, and they all go to pubic schools. I was single independent Cody paying 40% income tax and property taxes without any kids....so having the overall tax base take on the burden of educating society is something we're already doing. Point is that social welfare programs aren't necessarily fair, but they are necessary. I'm fine with subsidizing college, and as someone that paid for his own way through school by working full time, I have no problem with this still.

The cost of that education has gone up disproportionately to inflation since my time, and that is a major problem (THE major problem) but short of having the government regulate the price of education (socialism?) what do you propose? Whether or not you went to college or think college is a waste of money, society benefits from a higher education level. It's literally the driver for almost everything, and we're falling way behind other countries. My suggestion is to start with a base tax, then for every child the parent(s) pay $3600 per year for education until they turn 18 (adjust for inflation). At 18, the child can continue to pay $3600 per year to go to a state college or trade school. If you want to go to a fancier school, you can pay the difference. State schools will need to keep their costs inline in order to receiver the subsidy checks for Uncle Sam for their students.
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Zero kids myself and have no problem with my tax dollars being used for public education. Child tax credit IMO should be capped at two children, period. Agree college tuition is out of hand, recently was looking at completing my bachelors from UVU to help get on with a major carrier and got a bit of sticker shock and concluded it wasn't worth it.

My problem with the current situation is why should my money go to "insert cry baby here" to pay for their "college experience" because they wanted to go to USC and get a gender studies degree. It's not my fault you picked a useless degree and wanted to go to "the" school. Plenty of cheap options out there for education, might not be the "college experience" you've dreamt of since you were little but hey its a degree and thats what allegedly matters right? Also I hear you can get quite a lot of money from the government to pay back your student loans if you serve in the military. Want 10k relief? Go serve 3 years.

The education we should be supporting are trade jobs as they keep this country rolling unlike cry baby that wants a CEO salary the day after they graduate with their liberal arts degree for flipping burgers at IN and Out because thats the "career" they chose and their 100k degree doesn't even qualify them to be a manager there.

Edit: oops sorry for the soap box in the lighten the mood thread
 
shortstraw8

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I think the difference is general education not higher education.
Hopefully all 22 of those kids will be a productive member of society and can help pay for other children to hopefully learn what we consider general knowledge to be successful in life and take on that overall tax burden of k-12. Though we all know there are those kids that slip through the cracks of public systems like myself, terrible at school. I agree that child tax breaks should end 100%, nothing better than paying for my child in sports to find out that other kids were payed for by my taxs and hear their mother state "I don't want a job cause then I don't get as much from the state" while pregnant with another child from another father, though I will happily pay taxs for k-12 and hope they become a productive member of society.

When it comes to higher education that is something you want to pursue to hopefully skip the bottom pay range and start at more of an entry level with higher pay cause you studied that field and got a degree, now you just need to learn the way the company does the things you studied.
Dropping 10k of debt the borrower knowingly agreed to just because whatever BS excuse it is this week and ultimately putting the burden back on taxpayer that shouldn't have to cover it just because it is a burden to the borrower, not right imo. I was overcharged for my associates and missed the deadline to submit my information to get some of it dropped because the university was purposely getting the full amount when shouldn't have been, I did not know this when it was happening and that is my fault for not asking more questions and blindly trusting an institution, Im still paying on it. The university and curriculum was not great and really based on microsoft office (where a lot of funding for the university came from) and not CS, and just because I didn't submit my information I don't get it dropped, the university should have had to pay it all back not student or taxpayer.
 
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Cody

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TRD270 said:
Zero kids myself and have no problem with my tax dollars being used for public education. Child tax credit IMO should be capped at two children, period. Agree college tuition is out of hand, recently was looking at completing my bachelors from UVU to help get on with a major carrier and got a bit of sticker shock and concluded it wasn't worth it.

My problem with the current situation is why should my money go to "insert cry baby here" to pay for their "college experience" because they wanted to go to USC and get a gender studies degree. It's not my fault you picked a useless degree and wanted to go to "the" school. Plenty of cheap options out there for education, might not be the "college experience" you've dreamt of since you were little but hey its a degree and thats what allegedly matters right? Also I hear you can get quite a lot of money from the government to pay back your student loans if you serve in the military. Want 10k relief? Go serve 3 years.

The education we should be supporting are trade jobs as they keep this country rolling unlike cry baby that wants a CEO salary the day after they graduate with their liberal arts degree for flipping burgers at IN and Out because thats the "career" they chose and their 100k degree doesn't even qualify them to be a manager there.

Edit: oops sorry for the soap box in the lighten the mood thread
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haha, we're totally hijacking this thread.

This is interesting though. Where is the data that shows the debt from which programs were more prominently refunded? I find it interesting that it was skewed like that. OR, that's just the story you've seen in the meme-iverse that fuels the most anger over the issue? Most closely fits your personal opinion about college graduates?

For all either of us know there could be as many MSW's and MFT's in there as "gender studies" and I'd wager probably way more actually. Actually, I'd be willing to bet there are 20x's as many education degrees, or English degrees as their are "gender studies" or generic lib studies degrees. But if you look at the proportion of degrees earned and cross it over to the potential income from the job being below that 125k threshold, those fields seem particularly likely to have forgivable debt under this program. ****ing leach therapists and teachers should go learn a real useful trade!
 
ID Bronco

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A general studies/teaching degree can be had without excessive debt. They all know what the job pays before taking on the debt or choosing that field.

So much for lightening the mood.
 
Cody

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ID Bronco said:
A general studies/teaching degree can be had without excessive debt. They all know what the job pays before taking on the debt or choosing that field.

So much for lightening the mood.
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So can a "gender studies" degree. Just sayin.

(I also agree that's a totally stupid major)
 
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