02SE
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Pike2350
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What a piece of work. 
He is the biggest pompous piece of shit that exists. Not that I like Biden....but I certainly can't stand Trump as a person SO much more.
He is the biggest pompous piece of shit that exists. Not that I like Biden....but I certainly can't stand Trump as a person SO much more.
shortstraw8
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same with my checking acct, 401k and taxs. There for a little while felt like all the scrapping by from the recession working 80+(when there was work) while doing online school in hopes of something coming from it actually paid off.
Interesting, I would take drumph over biden. Trump donated his salary he was paid as POTUS to things like national parks, agriculture, education..... Biden donated tax payer money to his son for hookers and crack and oil reserves to ccp so they could sell them back to us marked up (obviously a little exaggerated), Ill take the pompous ass hat any day over the criminal alzheimer's patient we have now.
I didn't vote for trump either time, not that it would have mattered last round anyhow, I have voted libertarian since I have been of age, this round has made me switch to conservative due to my votes basically not counting. I don't see much good coming from the democrat leftist that think this is a movie they are playing a role in.
~tips tinfoil hat, have a good day
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Wow. He must have hurt you bad.What a piece of work.
Pike2350
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No..but I see him for what he is. He is a rhe biggest narcissist there is. Who has never done any wrong(in his eyes). He is a grifter of epic proportion.
I can't stand any person that acts like him. He is just the most vocal of them. If he had a tiny ounce of humility I may hold some respect for him....but I just can't. He has never done anything wrong. Everyone person he hired that left was "insert childish name calling here" Well Trump, you hired them...if they were that bad your were wrong to hire them...but nope. He does no wrong according to him and his followers.
The fact he is held up so high by so many just inflates his ego and makes it worse. If the conservatives would stop pushing him so hard and pick a candidate that wasn't so toxic they would have a better chance of getting more support from people in the independent/libertarian corner. As it is Trump hijacked the party and bullies anyone who disagrees with him with schoolyard childishness.
It amazes me how so many people can look up to him and not see what a POS he is. Both sides suck and both sides pick the shittiest candidates. So yes, I will hate on the one that acts like Trump does because it is probably the type of personality that I despise the most.
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He's a piece of shit and so is everyone else in Congress or other public office. The only great thing about Trump is that he beat Hilary. He did do some surprisingly good things in office despite the whole establishment being against him.
I'm all for other assholes being in office rather than the career douchebags that are in office at this time.
I'm all for other assholes being in office rather than the career douchebags that are in office at this time.
Jesser04
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This just made my night.
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There's also something approaching zero percent chance Trump wrote that. Some troll spent 15 minutes putting that together knowing that the audience it appeals to wouldn't question it for a split second.What a piece of work.
But yes, I'm on your side. I find Trump, or perhaps the character he has publicly adopted, to be intolerable.
johngottfredson
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Every time I have to listen to trump and his fluffers I feel disgusted and vow to vote whacky-ass liberal just too help balance the scales. And THEN I actually listen to the whacky-ass liberals and I start shopping online for Trump flags to fly on my truck. Repeat cycle until the emotional fatigue makes me step off the carousel of crazy altogether and just follow politics enough to enjoy the memes.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
02SE
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Anyone who would run for the office of President, is the biggest narcissist you will likely ever meet. I'd take the narcissism and mean Tweets any day, to have the Country back to what it was with Trump.
Instead we have out of control spending (devaluing the Dollar), and old slow Joe following through on his campaign promise to constrict the energy supply this country and the entire world runs on. After over a year of spiraling inflation and oil prices, which are a direct result of the slow Joe admins policies, they try and blame the results of their incompetence on Russia... I doubt that Russia would've even invaded Ukraine, if Putin hadn't seen the incompetence of slow Joe during the Afghanistan pullout debacle.
Should we talk about the unsecured and overrun border?
There's a lot more to dislike about the current regime, but I'll leave it at that.
xjtony
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It still amazes me that the primary discussion is "which piece of crap that I hate should I vote for". The two party system deviding and conquering just like it was designed to do.
Thursty
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We should go back to the old ways of having the losing candidate be the winning candidate’s VP. 😂
Spork
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Oh for sure. I haven't had much spare time to follow much politics recently, but I have a tendency to feel (perhaps I'm blinded by mine own biases) that the more conservative side of the population is more likely to just believe something they see because it "seems" right or just aligns with their other beliefs (confirmation bias), partly because, well, a larger portion of that population is already comfortable believing in things without any sort of actual proof and are enraged or generally annoyed with the "liberal" tendency to fact check. It doesn't matter if it's real or true, as long as you believe it.
What if there isn't some big conspiracy? What if it's just a bunch of greedy, self serving people that have manipulated the system and the people enough to perpetuate their power, and the system that was installed 250 years couldn't put in a system to balance something that it couldn't predict? What that be a relief,, or a disappointment?
I suspect despite our philosophical and political differences (I know I'm a minority here), that we probably would all agree that the current system is setup to face people off against each other. To draw lines in the sand, and to get those lines as far from each other as possible. The two party system has no chance of accurately representing the vast collection of people we have in this country, and the power in those parties is continuing to be consolidated through private intere$t$ from every direction. Is it a surprise that rich people want to get richer, and politicians want more power? If we all agree on that, then why is the idea that we need to make major changes to our constitution to limit the power of only two parties, and to remove or at worst place reasonable limits upon, the amount of money private interests can put into political groups or politicians? Is that anti American to think that not only were our founding fathers very smart, but also very fallible and even under their own admission unable to predict the future?
Isn't that an actual conspiracy though?
The system isn't functioning how it was designed. It was designed to be distributed. Centralized Fed power isn't how it was designed. So, IMO to say that it's the founders fault for the current system wouldn't be accurate... but I get the arguement.
Also - I'd say that the "liberal" side likes to claim that they fact check but their "facts" are as about as truthful as some of the craziest right wing rhetoric. I'd say it's sixes.
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No, I'd say that is not a conspiracy. It would be a conspiracy if the founders designed the system specifically to perpetuate their own wealth and power. I think it's just an example of power and greed taking advantage of holes or limitations in a system that is not designed to handle (in some ways) what our country has grown into. I'm not saying it's their fault, in fact I think they specifically knew and stated that it was meant to be a starting point and would need to adapt as society changes. People have made it un American to hold that opinion, that the constitution could be in any way fallible or in need of adjustments, but I think that those that seek to maintain their status have effectively weaponized people's patriotism in such a way to make that adaptation the founding fathers intended, impossible.
anderson750
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DISCLAIMER: I am not anywhere near a constitutional scholar and it has been awhile since I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.
I will sound a little wishy washy here……but……I think that when it comes to the element of the constitution that is written to protect the citizens from an overbearing government I think it should be taken very seriously by everyone. I believe it is very important for the community to be able to mold their life. A county or cities rights to govern from the state is just as important as the states right to govern from the the federal. If you do not like the city or state politics that govern you….move somewhere else. If you do not like the USA…..move somewhere else that fits your ideals.
The amendments to the constitution is where you can start to argue values and principles. I think the founding fathers were very open to the possibility to change and adaptation but the principles of protecting the citizens from their government control and over reach was very principled and absolute.
I will sound a little wishy washy here……but……I think that when it comes to the element of the constitution that is written to protect the citizens from an overbearing government I think it should be taken very seriously by everyone. I believe it is very important for the community to be able to mold their life. A county or cities rights to govern from the state is just as important as the states right to govern from the the federal. If you do not like the city or state politics that govern you….move somewhere else. If you do not like the USA…..move somewhere else that fits your ideals.
The amendments to the constitution is where you can start to argue values and principles. I think the founding fathers were very open to the possibility to change and adaptation but the principles of protecting the citizens from their government control and over reach was very principled and absolute.
glockman
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The argument should be about the power the government wields, not which party gets to wield it at the moment. I see many people on both sides lose sight of that fact. Lots of people are OK with Trump sticking it to the libtards until it's Biden sticking it to the racist, religious zealots. The pendulum is a bad thing and it is swinging harder and harder with each cycle. I agree with @Cody most of us don't align with either side very much anymore.
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But do people even know how it's supposed to work? So many people are so indoctrinated from birth to just believe what they're told and not question anything that they have lost site (or never knew) how the system was supposed to work and just keep perpetuating this.. Pendulum to quote @glockman ...and it's that very cycle that is being used to keep the system in place by blocking any real systemic change in the guise of patriotism.
I see so many people talking about how they think Biden controls gas prices... And now he's taking away fuel tax in a political stunt to try and artificially lower taxes and take credit for it... Which fuels the fire of all the folks who think he can control fuel prices because they believed Trump when he took/is taking credit for fuel prices being low. The irony here is that I generally only see conservatives latching onto that, and the only way for the president to actually control fuel prices is for the feds to step in and regulate oil companies and set limits on their pricing in the US....but isn't that the very federal overreach they are committed to reducing? Almost reaching to socialism?