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[jackjoh]

‘Person flying it is a racist,’ Utah Black Lives Matter says of those who fly American flag

Soooo... I realize that this is going to stir the pot a bit; but frankly this is a bridge to far. I fly Old Glory on Memorial Day, Flag Day, Independence Day, and Veterans Day because thats what one does to honor the country and the people who sacrificed to give us the freedom to say stupid shit. Do morons use the flag in inappropriate ways? Sure! Do openly racists retards fly the flag in some misguided "signaling", that wouldn't surprise me. But is it a universal symbol of hatred and oppression? Absolutely not!
No symbol has ever stood for freedom more than the Stars and Stripes. No country has ever been more open to new peoples, cultures, and ideas than these United States. And boy, I am getting real tired of hearing the opposite. You've got to be pretty uneducated on the history of our nation to think otherwise. That, or you really just want to tear the country apart for short term gain.

I do not know any four-wheeler that would disagree with you but some rock hounds would. Just look at the racist flag, all colors except for white. While the American flag has three colors that stand for all people. Look at the country now with all the different people here VS any other country. The United States is the least racist/class-conscious
country in the world.

 

[johngottfredson]

‘Person flying it is a racist,’ Utah Black Lives Matter says of those who fly American flag

Soooo... I realize that this is going to stir the pot a bit; but frankly this is a bridge to far. I fly Old Glory on Memorial Day, Flag Day, Independence Day, and Veterans Day because thats what one does to honor the country and the people who sacrificed to give us the freedom to say stupid shit. Do morons use the flag in inappropriate ways? Sure! Do openly racists retards fly the flag in some misguided "signaling", that wouldn't surprise me. But is it a universal symbol of hatred and oppression? Absolutely not!
No symbol has ever stood for freedom more than the Stars and Stripes. No country has ever been more open to new peoples, cultures, and ideas than these United States. And boy, I am getting real tired of hearing the opposite. You've got to be pretty uneducated on the history of our nation to think otherwise. That, or you really just want to tear the country apart for short term gain.

I try to be open minded about BLM folks, recognizing that my whites-only Utah county upbringing may have not given me full perspective on what it's like to be black in America.

But this sh!t makes me want to install a 60' flagpole in my front yard and fly old glory year round

 

[UNSTUCK]

Hmmmmm.... I didn't think I was racist, but I do learn something new every day.

 

[Spork]

Are we going to talk about how critical race theory is just the Catholic original sin applied to racism? I hope not those guys are nuts.

 

[Herzog]

I try to be open minded about BLM folks

At first I was like "yea me too when they're not trying to close trails" but then I realized you mean the other thing. 🤦‍♂️

 

[Hickey]

Hmmmmm.... I didn't think I was racist, but I do learn something new every day.

Learning is racist!

 

[Stephen]

Learning is racist!

Unless its wrapped in a warm neo-Marxist "racial struggle" blanket.

 

[Hickey]

Unless its wrapped in a warm neo-Marxist "racial struggle" blanket.

Sad, but accurate.

 

[jeeper]

NAACP denounces Utah Black Lives Matter stance over American flag

The Utah chapters of the NAACP and Black Lives Matter exchanged comments over the weekend disagreeing whether the American flag is a racist symbol.

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[TRD270]

"At the women's U.S. Olympic track trials in June, third-place finisher Gwen Berry turned away from the U.S. flag during the national anthem before holding a T-shirt over her head that read "activist athlete." The U.S. hammer thrower later explained she believes that the national anthem is "disrespectful" and pledged to "not stand or acknowledge" it."

In the letter, the GOP lawmakers also cited a now-deleted Facebook post by BMX rider Chelsea Wolfe saying, "My goal is to win the Olympics so I can burn a US flag on the podium. This is what they focus on during a pandemic. Hurting trans children."

Wolfe, a transgender woman qualified as an alternate to represent the U.S. in Tokyo, told Fox News the post doesn't mean that she doesn't care about her home country.

Should US Olympic board be dissolved for not disciplining athletes for 'anti-American' protests?

Utah Rep. Burgess Owens wants actions taken if the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee board of directors doesn't discipline athletes who engage in

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IMO if you think our anthem is disrespectful and you don't want to stand or acknowledge it, don't bother showing up to represent THIS COUNTRY on the world stage.

Fed up with this progressive bullshit

 

[Coco]

IMO if you think our anthem is disrespectful and you don't want to stand or acknowledge it, don't bother showing up to represent THIS COUNTRY on the world stage.

Fed up with this progressive bullshit

👏 👏 👏

If you want to go to the Olympics, and represent OUR country, you better be proud to be an American, and proud to have been selected to be there! So many other people would be proud to be in your shoes and representing OUR country for the correct reasons. That is what it is all about. Keep your politics, and personal views out of it.

I am so sick of people trying to politicize absolutely everything. I don't watch any type of 'professional' sport anymore for the same reason. Do what you are there to do, and shut up about your personal opinions on what and how the world is mistreating you.

 

[Houndoc]

Seems to me that many people consider it "free speech" if they agree with a message, "politicizing" if they don't.

One of the most lacking concepts in recent years is recognizing people's right to protest or voice views that you may personally disagree with is just as critical as your rights to make your own views known.

 

[haulinshine]

Seems to me that many people consider it "free speech" if they agree with a message, "politicizing" if they don't.

One of the most lacking concepts in recent years is recognizing people's right to protest or voice views that you may personally disagree with is just as critical as your rights to make your own views known.

the problem is you are free to make you opinion known but not free from the consequences of it. The Olympics has specific rules that ban "protests or political messages on the field and podium". The US Olympic committee also has a rules in its charter that say pretty much "if you do anything that may be considered offensive to the country you don't get to play". So by both the global Olympics standards and the US Olympic committee she should not be allowed to compete. At the olympics I am fairly certain that if you do something like protest your countries anthem you forfeit you medal and competition records. So with all of that, why on earth would you send someone who is saying that they are going to do something to disqualify them during the games at all. It sounds like wasting money and time.

 

[Houndoc]

the problem is you are free to make you opinion known but not free from the consequences of it. The Olympics has specific rules that ban "protests or political messages on the field and podium". The US Olympic committee also has a rules in its charter that say pretty much "if you do anything that may be considered offensive to the country you don't get to play". So by both the global Olympics standards and the US Olympic committee she should not be allowed to compete. At the olympics I am fairly certain that if you do something like protest your countries anthem you forfeit you medal and competition records. So with all of that, why on earth would you send someone who is saying that they are going to do something to disqualify them during the games at all. It sounds like wasting money and time.

I agree with your premise that choices have consequences.
I would also argue that pre-emptive punishment ('you might break the rules so you can't be on the team') is wrong.
But it is worth noting that those most vocal (here or other places) against athletes who 'disrespect the flag' very seldom, if ever, bring up rules (which I also have heard have become far less restrictive at this year's games), but simply fall back onto the accusations of 'hating America' etc.

 

[haulinshine]

I agree with your premise that choices have consequences.
I would also argue that pre-emptive punishment ('you might break the rules so you can't be on the team') is wrong.
But it is worth noting that those most vocal (here or other places) against athletes who 'disrespect the flag' very seldom, if ever, bring up rules (which I also have heard have become far less restrictive at this year's games), but simply fall back onto the accusations of 'hating America' etc.

It isn't pre-emptive if you refuse to acknowledge the anthem after the try-outs then take an interview saying you will do it again. The athlete did do something against the rules of the US Olympic committee and said if they medal at the Olympics they will do it again. So not pre-emptive.
While you are right that punishing someone for "maybe you will do this" is wrong, that is not the case for this event. She honestly should not be sent in my opinion like I said before.

 

[TRD270]

Seems to me that many people consider it "free speech" if they agree with a message, "politicizing" if they don't.

One of the most lacking concepts in recent years is recognizing people's right to protest or voice views that you may personally disagree with is just as critical as your rights to make your own views known.

Also IOC rules

"No form of advertising or other publicity shall be allowed in and above the stadia, venues and other competition areas which are considered as part of the Olympic sites. Commercial installations and advertising signs shall not be allowed in the stadia, venues or other sports grounds. No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas."

 

[mbryson]

Also IOC rules

"No form of advertising or other publicity shall be allowed in and above the stadia, venues and other competition areas which are considered as part of the Olympic sites. Commercial installations and advertising signs shall not be allowed in the stadia, venues or other sports grounds. No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas."

Wait, we can’t hold people accountable for things they signed that they’d agree to!

 

[jackjoh]

Seems to me that many people consider it "free speech" if they agree with a message, "politicizing" if they don't.

One of the most lacking concepts in recent years is recognizing people's right to protest or voice views that you may personally disagree with is just as critical as your rights to make your own views known.

I hope you are not saying that things are better now that Biden has been elected? Most of the canned news is pro what Biden has done although it seems to me we are worse off If you do not respect the flag and the country you have no business representing it..

 

[xjtony]

Seems to me that many people consider it "free speech" if they agree with a message, "politicizing" if they don't.

One of the most lacking concepts in recent years is recognizing people's right to protest or voice views that you may personally disagree with is just as critical as your rights to make your own views known.

I'd have to agree with you on this one... To a point. Where I draw the line is how it's being handeled. If you wish to protest how terrible America is you should do so by not competing. She is still getting the recognition, fame and money (advertising and sponsorships) associated with competing but is protesting the very system that is allowing her to achieve those things. If you wish to protest your nation, then do so by not representing it. In this case she has violated the rules as well and there should be consequences.

 

[Mouse]

Is there a country she wouldn't be ashamed to represent? If there was, maybe she could compete for that other country and win the competition to "show us."