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Gun related topic to discuss - Homeowner/suspect = suspect dead in the street

Goose

Goose

aToYoTa-fREak
Location
A.F. UT.
Beardy McGee said:
A few more points I'd like to make..

1) Have a plan for this type of event. A wise tool is your cell phone. Have 911 on the phone as you are yelling commands at the person attempting to enter your home. Call out what they are doing and what you are doing. Have your wife on the phone with a 911 operator locked in a closet. Do you have dogs? Are the dogs barking at the guy from the inside of the house, or they in with your wife/kids?


If you dont have a plan, your in trouble!

A few years back, someone was trying to break into my garage.
I got out of bed, grabbed my pistol & headed for the garage.
in that moment, I realized that I didnt have a plan. (not good!)
I realized I didnt want to shoot anyone that was trying to steel my mower.
so I yelled from the other side of the door. letting him know that I was standing there with a gun in my hand. he then jumped the fence & fled.
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SAMI

SAMI

Formerly Beardy McGee
Location
SLC, UT
I just noticed that there was a bit more added to the KSL story:

A local attorney and author believes the homeowner will not be charged with a crime. Mitch Vilos says Utah's self defense statute allows someone "to use deadly force to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. And burglary is a forcible felony."

The author of the book "The Self Defense Law of all 50 States" says an intruder doesn't have to be in the home to open fire. Vilos says the burglar just has to be trying to get into the home.

But Vilos says a gun-toting homeowner shouldn't go too far. He said, "Once that force against you has ceased, you have a responsibility to stop using force."

Vilos encourages all gun owners to brush up on the law. He says Utah has one of the strongest home defense laws in the nation
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Mitch Vilos is the resident self defense law guru...
 
SAMI

SAMI

Formerly Beardy McGee
Location
SLC, UT
Um... wow... Friends of suspect are threatening the homeowner on FB.

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Shawn

Shawn

Just Hanging Out
Location
Holly Day
One shot one kill has always been my motto. However, one would have to ask, why not just shoot the guy in the leg? Why in the chest when you know what the result will more than likely be? Don't get me wrong, if the guy was inside my house, dead. When the guy is trying to get in my house, warning.

We were not there and we don't know what really went down so it is impossible for us to say what we would do.
 
W

Wasatch Quad

Member
Shawn said:
One shot one kill has always been my motto. However, one would have to ask, why not just shoot the guy in the leg? Why in the chest when you know what the result will more than likely be? Don't get me wrong, if the guy was inside my house, dead. When the guy is trying to get in my house, warning.
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Do not point a gun at something you don't intend to kill.

Shoot him in the leg, suddenly he is not capable of working for the rest of his life and you can pay for it.
 
Shawn

Shawn

Just Hanging Out
Location
Holly Day
Wasatch Quad said:
Do not point a gun at something you don't intend to kill.

Shoot him in the leg, suddenly he is not capable of working for the rest of his life and you can pay for it.
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Shooting him in the chest and what...? He can work? Please your point is meaningless.
 
Brett

Brett

Meat-Hippy
Location
Salt Lake City Utah
Shawn said:
Shooting him in the chest and what...? He can work? Please your point is meaningless.
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I believe he is referring to the fact that it seems that no matter how justified the homeowner would be, the guy with the hole in the leg always seems to end up winning in some lawsuit later.
 
W

Wasatch Quad

Member
Brett said:
I believe he is referring to the fact that it seems that no matter how justified the homeowner would be, the guy with the hole in the leg always seems to end up winning in some lawsuit later.
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Correct.
If you feel justified in shooting, shoot to kill. Otherwise just chase the offender away from your house with your shoe.
 
Kiel

Kiel

Formerly WJ ZUK
Caught the burglars friend/ associate that was also breaking into the house, looking good for the shooter
 
SAMI

SAMI

Formerly Beardy McGee
Location
SLC, UT
Wasatch, you sir are 100% wrong. You would get nowhere in a court or with a statement of 'i shot to kill'. You shoot to stop a threat, never to "kill".
 
Brett

Brett

Meat-Hippy
Location
Salt Lake City Utah
Beardy McGee said:
Wasatch, you sir are 100% wrong. You would get nowhere in a court or with a statement of 'i shot to kill'. You shoot to stop a threat, never to "kill".
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Again, not a statement, but if you are going to unload a round or your entire weapon at someone defending your house, family, etc, you'd better be sure. That or be sued after the guy breaking into your home recovers and lawyers up. Sad but true.
 
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Coreshot

Coreshot

Resident Thread Killer
Location
SL,UT
Hickey said:
I think today's homeowner will be fine, unless we find out he chased the perp after he fled.
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This was my first thought, did the homeowner go after the perp and down him in the street? If the facts in the story are true, I see justified shooting of the perp.

Reminds me of the case a year or so ago where the lady was on 911 as a guy was attempting to break into the house. He ended up getting partially through a window before she shot him dead, but this situation is only a fraction away from that scenario.
 
SAMI

SAMI

Formerly Beardy McGee
Location
SLC, UT
Brett, Utah has Castle Doctrine. If the suspect is breaking into your home you have the right to use force to prevent/stop it - including lethal force. If after he/she heels up and tries to sue, Castle Doctrine is in the homeowners favor.. Their lawsuit would be dead in the water.
 
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