James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
I think this belongs here.....................
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451625
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451625
kinda where my thinking is also.Herzog said:Definately interesting.
I read a few comments that I agree with. I don't think any events should be moved, shut down, etc... I think what needs to happen is more enforcement. We all just need to come together better as a group and weed out / educate those who are causing problems and puting us under the microscope.
Problem is, even if we do solve those problems, SUWA will find something else about us to ***** about.
Herzog said:Definately interesting.
I read a few comments that I agree with. I don't think any events should be moved, shut down, etc... I think what needs to happen is more enforcement. We all just need to come together better as a group and weed out / educate those who are causing problems and puting us under the microscope.
Problem is, even if we do solve those problems, SUWA will find something else about us to ***** about.
Bone Down said:I don't think that it is the event as much as it is the timing of the event.. seems it goes on at the same time as spring break even if they put it off until after spring breakers they could still call it easter jeep safari...
What i keep hearing from all of the actual 4x4's is that they try not to go unless it is 1-2 weeks before or afterr safari due to all the yahoo's on spring break.
1993yj said:I know that this subject has been brought up time and time again, but the timing is not the issue. All of the colleges and universities here in Utah have had their spring breaks weeks before EJS. If you really think that all of the problems come from those high school kids down there on their spring break, then those are some old kids to still be in high school.
Most of those who cause the problems, if it really is so easy to generalize all the "trouble makers" into one category, are more than likely college aged who dont even actually go to college. Over my years of attending EJS I have seen some crazy parties, where I knew most of the people in attendance, none of which were actually enrolled in any university. The parties have definately been cracked down on in the past years. Even Potatoe Salad and Bump Dump are much more toned down, likely due to the presence of Officers now.
If we are saying that the problem is the renegade groups that trash the trails, which if I am correct is one of SUWA's main point (not the parties), then you cant pin that on people just down there for "spring break" either. I have seen high school aged kids in groups with "adults who should know better" where the high schoolers stay on the trails and the "adults" are the ones trying their own new obstacles, or even driving where we now have the "NO ROUTE" signs painted.
I repeat, TIMING IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue here is the size of the event. EJS is the only time of the year where my entire family, including extended, all attend Moab together. Mainly this is due to everyone having a day or two off of work because of Easter. I dont know about the rest of you, but at work I dont get a spring break that lets me go down to EJS. However I do have a few days off for Easter.
1993yj said:I didnt mean that you were targetting high schoolers, but if you are blaming the timing of spring break for the EJS problems, high schoolers are the only ones that are on spring break at that time.
bobdog said:I bet that just about everyone, that participated in EJS 15 or more years ago, would agree that a smaller EJS was a funner EJS. I know you can't go back but I sure wish it would shrink in size, a lot.
x2bobdog said:I bet that just about everyone, that participated in EJS 15 or more years ago, would agree that a smaller EJS was a funner EJS. I know you can't go back but I sure wish it would shrink in size, a lot.
UtahFire said:If you think SUWA will stop trying to close down trails because EJS ends you are kidding yourself. Try making a deal with SUWA that if large events are not allowed, they will go away and see what happens. The fact is, they hate motorized recreation on public lands and will not stop until all their objectives are accomplished.
Take a look at a quote from an email I got from a SUWA representative:
"ORV use should be seen as tobacco smoking is now -- uncouth
and disreputable. If you want to do it, do it in your own space."
"Vandalism (which is what off-road driving is) should not
be part of a local economy."
Bob Brister
Interregional Outreach Coordinator
Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance
waynehartwig said:x2
I'll never go because of how many people are down there during this time. I get asked all the time to put up a booth and attend and I have absolutely no interest. I'd love to go, meet the people and vendors that I deal with daily.
That said, I think they should start limiting the number of registrations to 40k (I'm being sarcastic, but serious). Limit the number on the trails, too. It's hard for people to have fun on a trail when there are 200 other people trying to get through it and it's taking literally ALL DAY to do. Even the easier trails, it's not very fun when there are more than 20 or so rigs on it. Yeah, it's fun to BS with others about their rigs and meet lots of people, but do that off the trail at a show or in the McD's parking lot.
Bone Down said:not true.. it varies greatly depending on the college, university, school district.
Some start spring break on Easter weekend, after easter weekend, or before easter weekend, and EJS is a week long event so there is bound to be a great deal of over lap.
And with Grand Junction not more than 1.5 - 2 hours away it is not just Utah schools you have to consider.
1993yj said:Well, I did not do my homework on when the CO schools have their spring breaks, so you may be right. Maybe it still is those damn college students. Anyhow, at least we can now narrow it down and say that it is the CO ones who are causing all of the problems. Kidding.
Really my only point here is that I dont think that timing is the issue to the size of the event. If Jeep Safari were to be moved to the fall and called FJS, the crowds would still come down. Jeep Safari is for many people the only time of year that they even go down to Moab.
And yes, it is big. If you dont like the crowds and prefer to go down a different weekend, that is great. I ususally try to go down a few weeks before myself. And with the way the permit has been issued now, this may be my last year doing EJS, which is sad because so far it has been the only time of year that everyone in my family has been able to get the time off all at the same time (thanks to Easter weekend).
One thing I have come to realize though is that all of the SUWA members are on agreement that Moab needs to be closed, but we as 4-wheelers cant come to common ground on what needs to be done to fix the problem. Unfortunately I think that there are always going to be 4-wheelers down there who dont follow the rules, no matter what age or time of year, they will be around. Hopefully we can all at least follow the rules ourselves and set the example.
One thing we can all agree on is that our trails are in danger of being shut down and that we need to stop this.