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Greg

Make RME Rockcrawling Again!
Admin
I've been doing some reading on SUWA's site and it's really pissing me off. I wanted to share with you all what 'recommendations' that SUWA has made to the BLM.

From their site-

"RECOMMENDATIONS-
A Mandate for Change

The following actions must be taken to protect proposed wilderness and natural resources on Utah BLM lands from ORV abuse, and preserve places where natural beauty and quiet can be found.

• BLM should close all wilderness study areas and areas proposed for designation in America's Redrock Wilderness Act to ORV use to maintain wilderness suitability.

• BLM policy should direct that all ORV routes are closed unless clearly signed on the ground as open.

• BLM should follow its own regulations and permit ORV use only on designated roads and trails, and only after the environmental impact of use on these trails is carefully evaluated. The BLM should provide clear maps illustrating those designations.

• BLM public lands should not be available for unrestricted cross-country ORV use."


Another interesting tid-bit I found from SUWA-

"Off-road vehicle advocates, like the industry-supported Blue Ribbon Coalition, claim that they deserve continued access to Utah public lands. Sounds reasonable. Yet they're not talking about access to a few places, they're talking about guaranteed access to just about every acre of public land that gravity will allow.26 And then some.

The March 1999 edition of Four Wheeler Magazine describes Lower Helldorado, an abandoned 1950s era uranium mining road near Moab which takes off from the Kane Springs road:

"This new extreme road, re-opened last year in the Moab, Utah, area, is tough-there's a mandatory winch-up-a-dry-waterfall obstacle in the middle of it. When added to the original Helldorado, it makes a full day of extreme challenges."One ORV advocate similarly wrote in a letter to BLM: "We are interested in developing what we call 'hard core' rock crawling routes, as well as high challenge obstacles to play on."

That's not so reasonable, especially given the facts of growing ORV use and increasing environmental degradation from that use. The environmental consequences of allowing ORV access to 94% of Utah BLM land are often severe and discourage other uses of the land. It is unreasonable for BLM to allow "extreme ORV events," of the sort which include winching a ton of metal and machinery up a waterfall or allowing ORVs to cross a fish-bearing stream 59 times in eight miles."
 

SAMI

Formerly Beardy McGee
Location
SLC, UT
Winching a ton of metal??? Does it put off a gas that kills the wildlife? I doubt that fish get run over buy trucks too, they can swim fast.:D SUWA is full of crap. When I went and read their website awhile ago, I got really upset too.
 

EZRhino

KalishnaKitty
Location
Sandy, UT
Typical sewage (suwage?). Don't let it get you down, it's mostly lies and half truths. They are becoming so radical that they are losing any degree of credibility at all.

EZ
 

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
Originally posted by MetalMulisha
somebody needs to start an anti land closure petition

what do you think USALL and Blue Ribbon and U4WDA are??? not sole but pretty close...;)
 

allterrain

AllTerrain
Location
Cedar Hills
SUWA is run by high priced attorneys who bully and intimidate officials and the public who don't bend to their extreme and immovable vision of what we little peons should be doing to sacred mother earth.

They are funded by elitist private grants, funds and celebrities who are looking for the latest vogue cause to get involved with to further inflate their bloated opinions of themselves and try to play God with public land and protect us from ourselves. After all, we can't possibly know what we're doing.

History and science have proven countless times that the earth goes through warming and cooling cycles that span millions of years, yet enviros look at trends of 20-50 years or less and cry "the sky is falling" with global warming scare tactics and the like. Volcanoes have covered the earth with ash clouds for years and layed waste to billions of acres of land and yet somehow our little planet has managed to survive and yes, even flourish again. What are deserts today were once lush jungles and there are fossilized plants in the rock in glacier feilds at the top of Scandanavia. Do your homework, check the facts, avoid the hype and get involved. People jump on the SUWA band wagon because they want to feel like they are doing something good to save the planet. The greens send college students out door to door to preach the word and get donations with lines like: "don't you want to save a fragile ecosystem?" and "You could save a species from extinction". Housewives and driveway mechanics become drones and open thier checkbooks without realizing what they are doing.

The Sierra Club just appointed a new President BTW. The board felt that the last one was too passive. Fasten your seatbelts.

Get involved. Educate yourself. Write a letter. Join a group and be a DOER.
 

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
Originally posted by allterrain
SUWA is run by high priced attorneys who bully and intimidate officials and the public who don't bend to their extreme and immovable vision of what we little peons should be doing to sacred mother earth.

They are funded by elitist private grants, funds and celebrities who are looking for the latest vogue cause to get involved with to further inflate their bloated opinions of themselves and try to play God with public land and protect us from ourselves. After all, we can't possibly know what we're doing.

History and science have proven countless times that the earth goes through warming and cooling cycles that span millions of years, yet enviros look at trends of 20-50 years or less and cry "the sky is falling" with global warming scare tactics and the like. Volcanoes have covered the earth with ash clouds for years and layed waste to billions of acres of land and yet somehow our little planet has managed to survive and yes, even flourish again. What are deserts today were once lush jungles and there are fossilized plants in the rock in glacier feilds at the top of Scandanavia. Do your homework, check the facts, avoid the hype and get involved. People jump on the SUWA band wagon because they want to feel like they are doing something good to save the planet. The greens send college students out door to door to preach the word and get donations with lines like: "don't you want to save a fragile ecosystem?" and "You could save a species from extinction". Housewives and driveway mechanics become drones and open thier checkbooks without realizing what they are doing.

The Sierra Club just appointed a new President BTW. The board felt that the last one was too passive. Fasten your seatbelts.

Get involved. Educate yourself. Write a letter. Join a group and be a DOER.

VERY well said Alan...that is everything I think but just couldn;t word it as nicely...
 

allterrain

AllTerrain
Location
Cedar Hills
SUWA is run by high priced attorneys who bully and intimidate officials and the public who don't bend to their extreme and immovable vision of what we little peons should be doing to sacred mother earth.

They are funded by elitist private grants, funds and celebrities who are looking for the latest vogue cause to get involved with to further inflate their bloated opinions of themselves and try to play God with public land and protect us from ourselves. After all, we can't possibly know what we're doing.

History and science have proven countless times that the earth goes through warming and cooling cycles that span millions of years, yet enviros look at trends of 20-50 years or less and cry "the sky is falling" with global warming scare tactics and the like. Volcanoes have covered the earth with ash clouds for years and layed waste to billions of acres of land and yet somehow our little planet has managed to survive and yes, even flourish again. What are deserts today were once lush jungles and there are fossilized plants in the rock in glacier feilds at the top of Scandanavia. Do your homework, check the facts, avoid the hype and get involved. People jump on the SUWA band wagon because they want to feel like they are doing something good to save the planet. The greens send college students out door to door to preach the word and get donations with lines like: "don't you want to save a fragile ecosystem?" and "You could save a species from extinction". Housewives and driveway mechanics become drones and open thier checkbooks without realizing what they are doing.

The Sierra Club just appointed a new President BTW. The board felt that the last one was too passive. Fasten your seatbelts.

Get involved. Educate yourself. Write a letter. Join a group and be a DOER.
 

EZRhino

KalishnaKitty
Location
Sandy, UT
Way to waste bandwidth with that double post you putz! That's just like all you damn 4 wheelers, raping and pillaging everywhere you go! You think that everything is yours, and it's all disposable! No matter that some poor slob with 8 kids and a wife with an incurable disease owns this list and he's scraping togather his last pennies to pay for the space on the server that this list of hooligans can talk about their latest land rampage!! The exhaust from your oil burning vehicle ruins my outdoor hiking experience! You'd better think twice the next time you drive by me! Why I aught-a..............!!!!!!

I love you Alan!!!!!!:D :eek: :eek: :eek:

EZ:)
 

allterrain

AllTerrain
Location
Cedar Hills
Hey you elitist birkenstock wearin' latte sippin' tree huggin' spandex speedbump!
Did you hit your head?! Have yopu been communing with mother nature and enjoying some of her more restricted herbs?
You need some more seat time in Leroy to clear your head!

:)

Alan
 
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