DrMoab said:
BS! Total BS! You have never seen me post anything of the sort! Not here, and not on any other forum.
woops, already called on on that one. Nice try sport.
My best friend has a buggy, I have said I have wheeled with many guys who own buggies and don't have anything against anyone who does.
High five. I'm one of the main organizers of the largest Grand Cherokee event in the world. Does it matter?
What I do have a problem with is assholes who own buggies who also treat others who don't like crap!
an asshole is an asshole. Unfortunately, there is just as many assholes who drive XJ's, CJ's, and Paseo's.
Cody I don't know you but after what you wrote you are sounding more and more like one of these types!
Thats ok, I don't want to wheel with people who think their brand of fourwheeling is better than someone elses.
You really want to know who is ruining the sport that I and most of you love? Its the jerks who build rigs that think that because they can go anywhere do so. I don't care if its a dude in a buggy, a guy in a Ford Highboy or someone in a Rubicon that because the salesman in the dealership said it will go anywhere thinks he can take it there.
We partially agree, with the exception that your 2nd sentance would lead me to believe you hold a certain negative predisposition towards those that 'build rigs that think they can go anywhere" so is it people who build rigs that think they can go anywhere, or people that go and buy rigs but don't know anything about responsible land use? Or drunken rednecks. Two incomplete premises exist in your statement.
I did not call anyone out on this board over that! I never said anyone on RME is even that way!
never said you did, and I and everyone else welcome and enjoy your comments and insight.
If you could get over your dumb ass Johny Knocksville lookalike self you might be able to see that I was actually standing up for RME and the people here not puting them down.
Do you want my lunch money? Not putting them down (or taking immature cheap shots because your logic is built on fallacious logic and ideology?)
If you really think that I think just because you own a buggy you are out destroying the land you honestly do not have a clue about the way I feel.
thats the way you are coming off. I don't claim to know how you feel, but you apparently are having a difficult time communicating your true viewpoint. Maybe stick with one, and go from there.
I have said time and again there is a certian GROUP OF BUGGY OWNERS that are like this. Not once have I ever made the statement that ALL buggy owners are this way. Thats just stupid!
Agreed. It's just the 'young stupid buggy owners'. I'm young, pretty stupid, drive a rig that can be considred a 'buggy'. Am I giving the sport a bad name? What about the guys I followed up Upper Helldorado in built YJ's and CJ's (not buggy like at all--just trail rigs) who were tossing their beer cans. They were older (45-65), drove non buggies, and had a terrible impact. I think fundamentally we agree here, but you're just having a difficult time seperating your angst towards the tube folk from what you know is a more correct standpoint.
No one here can not tell me that there isn't a certian group that gives off the preception that the extreme rock crawling crowd is just a bunch of beer drinking, partying,leave there trash all over the place and don't give a sh!t about anything type of people.
Yup, your right. And its people like us that need to make that image better.
But to get back on topic....I really don't see that here! This was the whole point I was trying to make in my first post. Just that there are those types out there and because a lot of them drive buggies and there are lots of guys here who compete and drive buggies for recreational purposes that they can get grouped in together and thats not fair to RME.
True. I hate to sound like the asshole in this thread, but I told myself a long time ago that if I saw someone irresponsibly using the land, or holding an attitude that I thought was destructive towards our sport and purpose, I would say something. We have to self enforce or we stand no chance. We have to stand united, or we will loose what we have left. We have to present a better image to the media as you said. The only solution in my eyes is self enforcement and a aggressive campaign to teach responsible land use to all people that choose to use the land.
Cody
