NRA

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
Moderator
Who's a member? Do you think they are effective? Is there a way to join and direct your dollars specifically to combating new gun-control laws?

I've never thought of joining the NRA seriously until the recent brouhaha going on. So input would be helpful. Is it worth it to throw my money at them with the hope that they can actually help combat the insanity that seems to be gripping Washington right now?
 

Cherokeester

Registered User
Location
Wellsville Utah
250,000 people have joined the NRA in one month since that horrific school shooting. I think it is worthwhile, from what I hear Obama plans to parade a bunch of small children out in front of the country tomorrow to drive his point home on gun control. This is exploitation at its finest, the NRA has a real voice and can do some good against such cowardice political crap.
 

dutchman

KI7KSV
Location
Boise, Id
I'm a member and don't have any problems giving them a bit of money every year. I believe that they've got the biggest voice with issues like these and hopefully they can bring knowledge and facts to Washington.
 

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
My gripe with them is the same with any lobby group. Lobby groups are everything that's wrong with our government. If lobby groups weren't there lining the pockets of the politicians, maybe our representatives would actually represent us. I compare them to the Unions, the idea of what they do is good, but what they actually do is another thing.
 
The NRA is the most effective defender of 2nd amendment rights there is today. I'm a member. I don't disagree with you, Caleb, but regardless of what you think of lobbying, these guys are definitely effective at it. In all seriousness, if there is a better way of defending these rights, I'd like to hear about it.
 

mbryson

.......a few dollars more
Supporting Member
The NRA comments about a week ago were worth reading. I renewed my membership that day.
[h=2]NRA PRESS CONFERENCE[/h] [h=3]12/21/2012[/h] The National Rifle Association's 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters join the nation in horror, outrage, grief and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut ... who suffered such incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime.
Out of respect for those grieving families, and until the facts are known, the NRA has refrained from comment. While some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully silent.
Now, we must speak ... for the safety of our nation's children. Because for all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week, no one — nobody — has addressed the most important, pressing and immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right now, starting today, in a way that we know works?
The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them.
And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.
How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security.
We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.
Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family — our children — we as a society leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now!
The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters — people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them. They walk among us every day. And does anybody really believe that the next Adam Lanza isn't planning his attack on a school he's already identified at this very moment?
How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame — from a national media machine that rewards them with the wall-to-wall attention and sense of identity that they crave — while provoking others to try to make their mark?
A dozen more killers? A hundred? More? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?
And the fact is, that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger and more lethal criminal class: Killers, robbers, rapists and drug gang members who have spread like cancer in every community in this country. Meanwhile, federal gun prosecutions have decreased by 40% — to the lowest levels in a decade.
So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerous criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you've got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.
And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.
Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?
Then there's the blood-soaked slasher films like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" that are aired like propaganda loops on "Splatterdays" and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it "entertainment."
But is that what it really is? Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?
In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of every month of every year.
A child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18.
And throughout it all, too many in our national media ... their corporate owners ... and their stockholders ... act as silent enablers, if not complicit co-conspirators. Rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonize lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more laws and fill the national debate with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away.
The media call semi-automatic firearms "machine guns" — they claim these civilian semi-automatic firearms are used by the military, and they tell us that the .223 round is one of the most powerful rifle calibers ... when all of these claims are factually untrue. They don't know what they're talking about!
Worse, they perpetuate the dangerous notion that one more gun ban — or one more law imposed on peaceful, lawful people — will protect us where 20,000 others have failed!
As brave, heroic and self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms, and as prompt, professional and well-trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable — through no fault of their own — to stop it.
As parents, we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It is now time for us to assume responsibility for their safety at school. The only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away ... or a minute away?
Now, I can imagine the shocking headlines you'll print tomorrow morning: "More guns," you'll claim, "are the NRA's answer to everything!" Your implication will be that guns are evil and have no place in society, much less in our schools. But since when did the word "gun" automatically become a bad word?
A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting the President isn't a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United States isn't a bad word. And when you hear the glass breaking in your living room at 3 a.m. and call 911, you won't be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you.
So why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect our President or our country or our police, but bad when it's used to protect our children in their schools?
They're our kids. They're our responsibility. And it's not just our duty to protect them — it's our right to protect them.
You know, five years ago, after the Virginia Tech tragedy, when I said we should put armed security in every school, the media called me crazy. But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by qualified, armed security?
Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared? Is that so abhorrent to you that you would rather continue to risk the alternative?
Is the press and political class here in Washington so consumed by fear and hatred of the NRA and America's gun owners that you're willing to accept a world where real resistance to evil monsters is a lone, unarmed school principal left to surrender her life to shield the children in her care? No one — regardless of personal political prejudice — has the right to impose that sacrifice.
Ladies and gentlemen, there is no national, one-size-fits-all solution to protecting our children. But do know this President zeroed out school emergency planning grants in last year's budget, and scrapped "Secure Our Schools" policing grants in next year's budget.
With all the foreign aid, with all the money in the federal budget, we can't afford to put a police officer in every school? Even if they did that, politicians have no business — and no authority — denying us the right, the ability, or the moral imperative to protect ourselves and our loved ones from harm.
Now, the National Rifle Association knows that there are millions of qualified active and retired police; active, reserve and retired military; security professionals; certified firefighters and rescue personnel; and an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained qualified citizens to join with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for every school. We can deploy them to protect our kids now. We can immediately make America's schools safer — relying on the brave men and women of America's police force.
The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.
I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January.
Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work — and by that I mean armed security.
Right now, today, every school in the United States should plan meetings with parents, school administrators, teachers and local authorities — and draw upon every resource available — to erect a cordon of protection around our kids right now. Every school will have a different solution based on its own unique situation.
Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place right now. And the National Rifle Association, as America's preeminent trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50 years, is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help.
Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now. We did it for the nation's defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we'll do it for our schools today.
The NRA is going to bring all of its knowledge, dedication and resources to develop a model National School Shield Emergency Response Program for every school that wants it. From armed security to building design and access control to information technology to student and teacher training, this multi-faceted program will be developed by the very best experts in their fields.
Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson will lead this effort as National Director of the National School Shield Program, with a budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires. His experience as a U.S. Attorney, Director of the Drug Enforcement Agency and Undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security will give him the knowledge and expertise to hire the most knowledgeable and credentialed experts available anywhere, to get this program up and running from the first day forward.
If we truly cherish our kids more than our money or our celebrities, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible and the security that is only available with a properly trainedarmedgood guy.
Under Asa's leadership, our team of security experts will make this the best program in the world for protecting our children at school, and we will make that program available to every school in America free of charge.
That's a plan of action that can, and will, make a real, positive and indisputable difference in the safety of our children — starting right now.
There'll be time for talk and debate later. This is the time, this is the day for decisive action.
We can't wait for the next unspeakable crime to happen before we act. We can't lose precious time debating legislation that won't work. We mustn't allow politics or personal prejudice to divide us. We must act now.
For the sake of the safety of every child in America, I call on every parent, every teacher, every school administrator and every law enforcement officer in this country to join us in the National School Shield Program and protect our children with the only line of positive defense that's tested and proven to work.
 
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LT.

Well-Known Member
It is very worth while to join. They are the largest outfit and quite powerful in defending your rights as a gun owner or a future gun owner. I watched a video yesterday on youtube that summed it up well. If you are a gun owner then you need to be listening to politics. Like it or not you are politicial being a gun owner. I would further that thinking by including public land. To including four wheeling. If we dont join some groups and if we dont work proactivacilly then we will lose these freedoms. Folks, it is high time we start spending more time and money protecting our hobbies and past times. Otherwise we will lose them and never get them back. It is all too easy to lose something and very difficult to get it back.

LT.
 

SpeedyVic

Registered User
Location
Logan, Ut
My gripe with them is the same with any lobby group. Lobby groups are everything that's wrong with our government. If lobby groups weren't there lining the pockets of the politicians, maybe our representatives would actually represent us. I compare them to the Unions, the idea of what they do is good, but what they actually do is another thing.

I agree with you even though I am a member.

My dad bought me my first NRA membership when I was a young boy. Back then, it was all about education. I've been a member off and on since. Today, it's main focus is politics. I am a current member mainly because I am a Certified Range Safety Officer and must keep up the membership to work with the Boy Scouts.

The NRA still does a lot of education type work. I don’t know the exact break down of where the dues go, but at this point in history, I feel that they are the best ally to have. So if all of my $25 dollars goes to fighting the gun laws that are being discussed (look at what New York is doing) then I feel that it is money well spent. In the future, I will continue to evaluate the need to remain a member.

Living in Utah is great, but when it comes to fighting gun laws, it kind of sucks. Our politicians are already aware of where their constituents stand. So writing a letter to them would be redundant and have little impact on the gun debate. We need to get someone with influence in the purple and blue states. I currently see no other practical alternative to the NRA for that.

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Kiel

Formerly WJ ZUK
My folks wanted to donate but are already members so they bought me a lifetime membership last week. I guess if your gonna back a horse, go with the biggest one
 

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
Moderator
My gripe with them is the same with any lobby group. Lobby groups are everything that's wrong with our government. If lobby groups weren't there lining the pockets of the politicians, maybe our representatives would actually represent us. I compare them to the Unions, the idea of what they do is good, but what they actually do is another thing.

This is how I feel and why I've never been a member. But with whats going on in Washington, I feel like if you're going to defend your rights as a gun owner, you need to put some money and your name up there with people who are doing it. Thats why the NRA, for the first time, seems to be like a good idea.

Thanks for all the comments, folks.
 

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
I agree with most of you. However, that's also why lobby groups will continue with the way they are. If people continue to give them money "because there's not a good alternative" then why would they change? I'm torn on this one with the NRA, I see the importance of defending our rights, but I'm also very opposed to what they are.
 

jentzschman

Well-Known Member
Location
Sandy, Utah
My gripe with them is the same with any lobby group. Lobby groups are everything that's wrong with our government. If lobby groups weren't there lining the pockets of the politicians, maybe our representatives would actually represent us. I compare them to the Unions, the idea of what they do is good, but what they actually do is another thing.



I do not think its all the "lobbing" that is bad... I mean, it is the way, we as a society, have allowed to become acceptable.
The NRA is simple "boarding the train", as it were, with the way things are. Again, we the people, have allowed the system to evolve and become what it is to day. I hope that makes sense... It did in my head as I was thinking about it...
 

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
I do not think its all the "lobbing" that is bad... I mean, it is the way, we as a society, have allowed to become acceptable.
The NRA is simple "boarding the train", as it were, with the way things are. Again, we the people, have allowed the system to evolve and become what it is to day. I hope that makes sense... It did in my head as I was thinking about it...

Just because they are "boarding the train" doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it right that to get your way, you have to have a lobby group paying the politicians off. Besides, the NRA is one of the oldest lobbying groups around, I'd call them the conductor, not boarding the train... :) So how do we change this? Stop supporting the lobbying groups and starting voting out career politicians. Yeah, I know, it'll never happen...especially seeing the mentality in this thread which I'm sure is right inline with everyone else (and answers why they are as huge as they are).
 

jentzschman

Well-Known Member
Location
Sandy, Utah
I support the NRA because they are big enough to fight. Plain and simple for me personally. To be honest, I had not thought of the lobbying side of things and can see your point of view. Ya, it sucks that lobbying means pumping money to the politician and I can see why that has its disadvantages. However, we are slaves to the might dollar in this world. I also admit I know VERY little of politics and the "workings" therein, but I know enough to know that the dollar dictates most, if not all, that goes on within. It's a double edge sword for sure.

I am glad though, to have a group as large and as powerful as the NRA fighting for our 2nd amendment right.
 
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LT.

Well-Known Member
Well said.

LT.

I support the NRA because they are big enough to fight. Plan and simple for me personally. To be honest, I had not thought of the lobbying side of things and can see your point of view. Ya, it sucks that lobbying means pumping money to the politician and I can see why that has its disadvantages. However, we are slaves to the might dollar in this world. I also admit I know VERY little of politics and the "workings" therein, but I know enough to know that the dollar dictates most, if not all, that goes on within. It's a double edge sword for sure.

I am glad though, to have a group as large and as powerful as the NRA fighting for our 2nd amendment right.
 

Taconut

Offroad Addicted
Location
Orem, UT
My folks wanted to donate but are already members so they bought me a lifetime membership last week. I guess if your gonna back a horse, go with the biggest one
Damn, nice gift!

I just joined with a 5 year membership. I dont always fully agree with their stances on some issues, but there is no better organization out there protecting your 2nd amendment rights. I understand Calebs objection to lobbying and often agree with it, however this is lobbying for your constitutional rights, not big tobbaco! That being said, they dont always make the best decisions. They just released a video game after blaming video games for the violence, not a good move!
 

CJ Matt

Registered User
Damn, nice gift!

I just joined with a 5 year membership. I dont always fully agree with their stances on some issues, but there is no better organization out there protecting your 2nd amendment rights. I understand Calebs objection to lobbying and often agree with it, however this is lobbying for your constitutional rights, not big tobbaco! That being said, they dont always make the best decisions. They just released a video game after blaming video games for the violence, not a good move!

The game that the NRA released is target shooting and has some NRA and guns facts. There is nothing violent about it.

I am a member and have been for a few years. I look at it no differently then being a member of the BRC. They fight the battles I believe in and can have little to no impact standing up for on my own. There is strength in numbers. Do I believe in everything the NRA does? No but I never back a politician 100% either. If they have enough views that you agree with and they can defend your rights then it is better to be a part of it then sitting on the sidelines doing nothing and complaining about it later.
 

JL Rockies

Binders Fulla Expo
Location
Draper
Lobbyist are protected by the Constitution... the same document that constrains the Fed on issues of land ownership... just sayin'
 

Houndoc

Registered User
Location
Grantsville
Proud NRA member, although I do not always agree with everything they say and do (I most get annoyed by mailings.)

They do raise additional funds specifically for political purposes through the Institute of Legislative Action.

Join up!
 
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