What was that one time in history when citizens grabbed their guns and starting killing, and it turned out really well.. I think it was in April, 1775..
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- Thread starter Tonkaman
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What was that one time in history when citizens grabbed their guns and starting killing, and it turned out really well.. I think it was in April, 1775..
Now that I think about it, wasn't there something similar in 1812?
- Location
- East Stabbington
And really, on their side of the debate, they think going out and demonstrating havoc and lawlessness is their way of showing who has power and is "taking the country back". Threatening to perform vigilante justice on a group you don't agree with is just taking your road to the same destination and makes you sound as detached from real solutions as they are. Maybe we should try not treating hatred with hatred, violence with violence, intolerance with intolerance for a change? I realize that's harder than drawing a you VS them line in the gunpowder, but maybe you can find some common ground in a mutual desire for this country to be the best it can be for the most people.
I also find the "take our country back" a bit odd since.... This wasn't your/our land to begin with. Conceptually you mean the founding values of freedom from persecution and tolerance of one another. Neither side of this dumpster fire shows one ounce of tolerance or empathy for the other at the moment.
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- Grantsville, Utah
You just called me insane. Who is demonizing?
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- Never Far From Nowhere
Citizens did not just grab their guns and run out to start killing other citizens. Is that really your take away from the American Revolution?!? I mean, I don't have the time to delve into all the events that lead up to Lexington and why the Continental Congress issued the Declaration of Independence; but it was categorically NOT running out into the streets with your muskets to kill your neighbor.
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- East Stabbington
Honestly, if you're waiting for your chance to shoot someone, then yes that's pretty insane... And by many orders worse than the numbers of dipshits out there just waiting for their chance to go break out car windows and loot. Normal people aren't just waiting around for their opportunity to do harm to another.
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- Never Far From Nowhere
No sane human is excited by the prospect of getting to kill another.
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- Grantsville, Utah
I think you and Cody are both generalizing too much, in relation to your statements above.
No one has said they are excited about killing anyone.
If you watch hardly any videos at all, it is very apparent that the rioters ARE excited about hurting and killing people, and about destroying businesses and lives.
The problem has to be stopped at some point, and how do YOU suggest you get these criminal animals to stop?
glockman
I hate Jeep trucks
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- Pleasant Grove
This has been our country for 2 hundred years. I don't care to be held accountable for what people did prior to that.
If you would like to stand by and talk peace to a person commuting aggrivated assault on someone trying to put out the fire in their business you are free to. I think you'd have a different position if it was Mormons burning your business and blaming you for everything anyone ever did while intoxicated.
I don't condone violence unless it's in self defense or the defense of innocent people.
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- Never Far From Nowhere
In the short term, I don't have an answer for that. But I will tell you that it is not taking justice into your own hands. Fighting fire with fire only ends with everything burned.
Talk to people who have differing opinions and listen to them. Yes, the antifa/Black Lives Matter Marxists are irrational and many of them are violent thugs looking for a reason to smash a window or burn a car. But, they are the minority. Yes, they have supporters on the other side of the political spectrum from many of us. Our job, as rational American citizens, is to convince those supporters that that cause is wrong. We do that by showing greater compassion and commitment to bettering our country, not tearing it down. Vote. Participate. Engage. That is how you stop this long term.
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- East Stabbington
Ha ha, that's about what this amounts to. I'd like to think that the real sleeping giant here is the silent majority that will eventually bring reason and accountability to it all.
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- East Stabbington
If someone that was Mormon did that, I wouldn't blame Mormons. That's just an asshole. If a group identifies themselves as Mormon and were doing that in behalf of their beliefs, that's just a group of assholes. Group dynamics are a very dynamic thing to crack into though, and super relevant to this discussion.
glockman
I hate Jeep trucks
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- Pleasant Grove
I agree with this, but it can't happen until the fires stop. How do you do that? In every situation prior to this in the last 100 years it takes shooting a few rioters. Detroit, LA, watts and other riots all stopped when the risk to the rioting portion of the population was ramped up.
glockman
I hate Jeep trucks
- Location
- Pleasant Grove
I am not blaming all protestor nor saying they deserve to meet a violent end. I'm saying the guy with the torch needs to be dealt with. The guy knocking out old men saving their business needs to be dealt with.
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- East Stabbington
Ya, maybe, but don't you think that exact same logic applies to the other side too? No major social change has ever happened without causing some major damage?
Perhaps women's suffrage was pretty non violent? I paid nerds like Stephen in history class so I don't recall.
And maybe the old guy should have just stepped aside to save his fight for a bigger day. If there was a mob looting my brewery, I can tell you I'd be the last person out there with a fire extinguisher or rifle trying to defend it from the mob. It's just stuff. I have insurance and even without, that stuff isn't worth me killing or causing lifelong injury to someone. And my family is better served with a scorched brewery and a healthy me. You're all better for that part actually.
Would I defend my life and that of my friends, family, and innocent people in the face of a threat? Absolutely. Would I ****ing run into that situation looking for it? Absolutely not.
Perhaps women's suffrage was pretty non violent? I paid nerds like Stephen in history class so I don't recall.
And maybe the old guy should have just stepped aside to save his fight for a bigger day. If there was a mob looting my brewery, I can tell you I'd be the last person out there with a fire extinguisher or rifle trying to defend it from the mob. It's just stuff. I have insurance and even without, that stuff isn't worth me killing or causing lifelong injury to someone. And my family is better served with a scorched brewery and a healthy me. You're all better for that part actually.
Would I defend my life and that of my friends, family, and innocent people in the face of a threat? Absolutely. Would I ****ing run into that situation looking for it? Absolutely not.
Fighting fire with fire is exactly how wild fires are often fought. Place a controlled fire where you want to prevent the other fire from passing.
So is the lunatic mass shooter, but that doesn't stop me from being blamed every time it happens.
And more important, so is the bad police officer.. but ACAB's, right?
This sounds great, and I will CONTINUE to do it, as I have for many years. But we ALSO need a short term solution.
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- Never Far From Nowhere
They were tied up with the temperance movement, and they liked to go around busting up saloons. So there was that.
I think you still owe me some beer for that last paper I wrote...
- Location
- East Stabbington
The state of Utah does not allow me to trade beer for any other goods or services.
glockman
I hate Jeep trucks
- Location
- Pleasant Grove
I think blm and anTifa have turned people who care about racial divides away from the issue. If your family business is burned during a riot, it's hard not to hold a grudge.
If you read anything I've ever said about these riots, I've said it's unwise to go there with a gun and I'm as pro 2A as it gets. The idea of shooting another person is terrifying to me. The loonaticts at these events are trying to get people to shoot them. That is irrational and terrifying behavior to me. I'd avoid these areas and groups like the plague.
End of the day there is no way for a reasonable logical person to rationalize what is in the video I posted. Its not about equality the specific individuals are not fighting for the greater good. They are anarchists and opportunists.