Syria: Trigger to WW III?

XJEEPER

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Highland Springs
Some thoughts:

Yesterday, John Kerry declared that US military action against Syria is eminent, based on the assumption that al-Assad used nerve gas on innocent civilians in Syria.

This makes no sense. Assad knows that this action will result in the end of his dictatorship. There is currently no proof that al-Assad's forces are behind this attack.

What makes more sense, is that the Al-Nusra Front, most whom are not Syrian and are aligned with Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, are responsible for the gas attacks in Syria. Both the US and EU have funneled weapons to the Al-Nusra Front group. See Truth behind Benghazi attack.

Russia and China are both aligned with Iran and Syria and both have warned the US to not engage. A US attack on Syria is a step toward it's ally, Iran, who also has Russia and China on their side. There is a

America is broke, we cannot allow our government to engage in another war in the Middle East.....especially one which will likely trigger global involvement.

This information makes one hungry for the truth.....which we won't be getting from Washington.

http://benswann.com/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-syrian-chemical-attack/

http://intellihub.com/2013/08/26/us...flag-attack-syria-according-leaked-documents/

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2013...ilitants-from-al-qaeda-linked-al-nusra-front/

And then, there is this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/108902116/brookings-institution-s-which-path-to-persia-report
 
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UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
I wish our government was as eager to help our own country as it is to help other countries. Maybe they are, but I just don't see it.

On the other hand, if we end up going to war with China, and we beat them, would we still have to pay them back all the money we owe them?
 

broncomitch

dont be a sheep in a jeep
Location
west jordan,UT
Fact is, America is full of a bunch of ***** footers that don't want to take a paycut or even work.
we go to war, better learn Chinese and Russian.
 

Herzog

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Here's the thing that nobody is talking about... Documents have been leaked that prove the US and NATO framed Syria for the chemical attacks. Do some research outside of mainstream media.

We are getting conned into another illegal war. This is bullshit.

Not to mention that Russia is ready to jump on the side of Syria.
 

Herzog

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Leaked Britam Defence Syrian documents for download: http://stormcloudsgathering.com/leaked-britam-defense-syrian-documents-d...
edit: Looks like this page is down now. I'll try to find a mirror.

Chemical weapons confirmed in Syrian conflict: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/08/24/gas-attack-syria.html

U.S. helped Saddam as he was using chemical weapons on Iran: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_...

CIA and Mossad both say the Iran hasn't even made the decision to seek a nuclear weapon: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/mossad-cia-agree-iran-has-...

Iran and Syria confront US with defense pact:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/feb/17/usa.syria

Iran already sending troops to Syria: http://rt.com/news/iran-troop-deployment-syria-782/

The proxy war in Syria: http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-imperial-left-and-the-proxy-war-ag...

The U.S. funneling weapons to rebels through Qatar: http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2013/06/29/sending-missiles-syrian...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/01/syria-conflict-rebels-qatar...

Russia opposes arming militants in Syria:
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/04/301705/russia-opposes-arming-mi...

Russia warns Syria/Iran Crisis may go nuclear: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/us-g8-russia-idUSBRE84G18M2012...

UK Quatar plot to frame Syria for Chemical weapons:
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/01/30/286331/ukqatari-plot-against-sy...

The March 19th, 2013 Sarin Attack:
Israel and the U.S. blame Assad:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/israel-accuses-syria-of-us...

Obama's red line: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9488314/Barac...

U.N. launches their own probe: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/21/us-syria-crisis-chemical-un-id...

According to the U.N. investigation the March 19th chemical weapons attack turned out to be committed by the rebels: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188

Russia agrees: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/09/us-syria-crisis-chemical-russi...

The August 21st, 2013 Chemical Attack:
Syrian soldiers enter rebel tunnels, find chemical agents
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/24/us-syria-crisis-jobar-idUSBRE9...

Video from attack apparently shows the rockets were small and primitive:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/23/us-syria-chemicals-idUSBRE97M0...

Iran says they have proof rebels used chemical weapons:
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-proof-syria-rebels-used-chemical-weapons...

Turkey finds sarin gas in homes of suspected Syrian Islamists
http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

FSA says they are going to use chemical weapons from now on: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171240#.Uhrr2rwYfUp
 

Herzog

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And do you think any of these decision makers will ever face some sort of legal repercussions? Not likely. Yet, they've got a full on smear campaign developing to discredit Snowden.

Not unless we the people start standing up and handing out the legal repercussions.
 

Kevin B.

Not often wrong. Never quite right.
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What is the "reason" for all of this? I know it's not a simple answer. I cannot fathom why we need to be in these conflicts (or create them) or what advantage is provided by doing so.

US conservatives stand in the way of the UN becoming a world government. Force a crisis that collapses the US government and it puts Russia, China, and the EU on much better footing and in a position to force changes that marginalize US conservatives.

Or so goes the rationale. I'm not 100% ready to buy into all that, but something is certainly rotten in Denmark.
 

DAA

Well-Known Member
What is the "reason" for all of this? I know it's not a simple answer. I cannot fathom why we need to be in these conflicts (or create them) or what advantage is provided by doing so.

Ah, but it IS a simple answer.

MMMMMoooney! Money! Money!

See military industrial complex.

- DAA
 

sLcREX

Formerly Maldito X
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Utah
So much gets fed left and right. Who's in the wrong here? I haven't kept up with this til the last couple days and what is Snowden's involvement in this?
 

Herzog

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So much gets fed left and right. Who's in the wrong here? I haven't kept up with this til the last couple days and what is Snowden's involvement in this?

Snowden has no involvement in this. He's been leaking material about NSA spying on citizens, not anything with Syria.
 

UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
I think there's a cabin in the middle of Alaska with my name on it. If only we could find more red rock and less mud up there.
 

broncomitch

dont be a sheep in a jeep
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west jordan,UT
Herzog, hypothetically, what could "we the people" do to effect change?

How did this country come to be?
how did we get our freedom?

we can change anything we want.

But we won't, cus Americans have gotten lazy and taken our freedom for granted and don't want to fight for the things they want or believe in...they just want it.
 

sLcREX

Formerly Maldito X
Location
Utah
Which brings us back to the question. How do we organize? Seems like it should be much easier today to get together and an but I guess the common citizen doesn't bother with doing so. Civil unrest? Walk up and punch politician in the face? Create petitions online against this? All of the above?
 

jeeper

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So Jo, Ut
I think a "revolution" will never happen. The other countries that revolt really have nothing to lose. Are you willing to give up your boat, truck, and large home to fight against the government? We will no doubt lose everything in the fight, and it will require MOST of the citizens to join. Can you count on America to join you in the loss of all of their precious material items??
 

Herzog

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Wyoming
Herzog, hypothetically, what could "we the people" do to effect change?

How did this country come to be?
how did we get our freedom?

we can change anything we want.

But we won't, cus Americans have gotten lazy and taken our freedom for granted and don't want to fight for the things they want or believe in...they just want it.


Just be aware of things that are really happening, be very aware... question everything (even "alternative" news sources). Retain your rights, don't ask permission for them.
Spread the facts and help others question the reality of what is going on. It's all interestingly socially engineered but it's easy to see through it once you get a glimpse. Kind of a "can't unsee what you've seen" kind of thing.

Invest in decentralized currency. That's the quickest way to de-fund machine. Bitcoin comes to mind, but there will be more crypto currencies and different types of decentralized currencies in the future. If they can't track and tax it, it's an option. Anything that doesn't flow through a controlled central point is very good. Money, information, armament, etc. Look in that direction.
 

broncomitch

dont be a sheep in a jeep
Location
west jordan,UT
Your 100% right, times are very different.

I'm pretty sure there is no way we could organize, like UT410 said they will label it as terrorism or what ever and that will be the end of it.


The government isn't going to change with protesting or what not..it's only going to change with a very traumatic event to where nothing will be the same and we could do it...But we wont, cus the cost will be high and we would have to sacrifice so much we wouldn't even have the same life as before.
So stopping the government is pointless and we need government...just not our corrupt government of today, And that is what we need to change and revolt against.
So we need to affect the government in a way that will make them change....start off with cutting there pay by 60% then only be able to serve for 2-3years MAX! And the coup de grâce, any law congress passes will effect them also!
Min wage, health car, ect.


That used to be set in place but the people that have been there for many many years found loop holes or made there own to where that's not the case for em and spiraled out of control to what we have today.


Most people don't know this but the government works for us, and they somehow need reminded of that!


Really makes you wonder what really goes on in the world...who is doing the right thing and who wants it to stay the same at any cost.
 
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