Rock Crawling & Poll (New Thread)

[Craig S]

What is the difference between the classes?

Street stock.....OK, self explanatory
Legend
Unlimited

Legend would be trail rigs that are trailered and don't make the street class because of modifications.

Unlimited would be full blown tube buggies.

Does that help?

 

[waynehartwig]

Legend would be trail rigs that are trailered and don't make the street class because of modifications.

Unlimited would be full blown tube buggies.

Does that help?

So I'd be in the street class with 102" WB, full width axles and 39" tires?

 

[Craig S]

So I'd be in the street class with 102" WB, full width axles and 39" tires?

Probably not, everybody would be so mad life wouldn't be worth living. 39" tires & 102" wheel base would bump you into another class. Stock type classes should be limited to +- 3" wheel base change and either 35" or 37" tire size with a valid registration.

Let's have a little feed back on this if anybody is interested. We still need a few more names for this to vote on also.

 

[waynehartwig]

Probably not, everybody would be so mad life wouldn't be worth living. 39" tires & 102" wheel base would bump you into another class. Stock type classes should be limited to +- 3" wheel base change and either 35" or 37" tire size with a valid registration.

Let's have a little feed back on this if anybody is interested. We still need a few more names for this to vote on also.

That's why I liked your other idea about keeping like rigs in the same class - ie 102" wb and 39's compete together. Once you get entry forms together, you could broaden it more so there are more vehicles in the same class. Like 100-105" and 37-40's or something. You can also tell which like sheet metal or not. The ones that don't care abou ttheir sheet metal can go with the tube buggies.

I don't think it's fair for me to compete with the street legal, driven class, just because I drive my rig 1k miles to get there (not trailered). But I also don't think it's fair to put me up against those that trailered there and have purpose built rigs. Same type of rigs, but a different mind set. We're all there to win, but I have to drive 1k miles home.

 

[lostsamurai]

my sami is streched 4" and I run 35" tires, toy axles stock r&p, locked f&r, 6.5:1 tcase, exo cage, comp cut rear, but I do have a valid registration, and I could drive but after two roll overs on pavement my wife would flip! its a slippery slope I feel like im between classes

 

[moabchic78]

I think this is pretty sweet! I was a photographer one year at UROC in SLC and really wished I could compete but we've kept my XJ street legal. This would be a blast - my husband might make me flip for who drives! I love the idea of getting back to what it used to be before the 20K buy in showed up
. I love the P.A.R.C (K) idea. I think both are great names. It shows respect and purpose.

 

[BCGPER]

Craig, maybe four classes are needed? Something like:

Stock

Stock Modified

Modified

Unlimited

It seems like a lot of trail rigs now days would be what used to be considered modified. In my mind, I'm comparing something like Wayne's Jeep to Shawn's Cruiser. Both to me would be modified, but I think Shawn's rig would have a big advantage over Wayne's mainly due to the lack of sheet metal. Or were you thinking something like Shawn's would be unlimted? Maybe some type of "in between" class (i.e. Stock Modified) would cure these problems. Just a thought.

 

[SAMI]

can i just say my 4runner is on a long bed frame since the WB is that long?(full body)

 

[1995zj]

Sounds like a lot of fun! I'm definitely interested in competing!

 

[jgb]

Would each class have its own course?

 

[TEAM FRED]

PARK sounds good!
Count me in for Stock and Unlimited.

 

[greenjeep]

I agree with class categories being based on wheelbase and amount of sheetmetal.

Count me in however it all works out!!

 

[soda blaster]

Why is everyone so worried about the classes I don't get it . The comp is free to enter free to watch and you dont get anything for "winning" so who really cares about classes just go and have fun.

 

[waynehartwig]

Why is everyone so worried about the classes I don't get it . The comp is free to enter free to watch and you dont get anything for "winning" so who really cares about classes just go and have fun.

Even though, there is still some fun in 'winning'. It's not a trail ride, it's a competition. And because it's a competition, it's gotta be fair....

 

[1995zj]

Even though, there is still some fun in 'winning'. It's not a trail ride, it's a competition. And because it's a competition, it's gotta be fair....

Exactly :greg:

 

[Craig S]

Would each class have its own course?

Typically, each class would have it's own line or path over obstacles. For example, each obstacle would start at the same place (starting line) and finish at the same place (finish line), but he rout taken would reflect the vehicles capability for the class that it was in. It is possible to have as amny as three lines over one difficult obstacle (easy, hard and hardest). I hope that makes sense.

 

[Craig S]

Even though, there is still some fun in 'winning'. It's not a trail ride, it's a competition. And because it's a competition, it's gotta be fair....

I believe in being fair, it's good. I can post what I have and let you guys hash out what seems fair. I will post up with something on classes soon as I get it written up. Once the classes are decided, we will need to stick to it as best we can. One of the things that caused more problems than it was worth in the past was constantly changing the rules for various reasons. What resulted was building new vehicles and a lot of modifications each year to meet the changing rules. This was born at great expense and agravation for all involved (drivers and promotors). This was also one of causes of what has happened to rock crawling today and why there are very few competitors because of the cost involved and frustration factor. Lets do a good job on this. Give me about a week to get draft of the classes together & I will post it.

 

[pELYgroso]

good call. some guidelines but not tooooo complicated. I say do 3 or 4 classes with general guidelines, and if a rig is on the line, have a "judge" to class it where he sees fit. If this causes some whiners, let them whine. When they get behind the wheel, they'll have a smile (or pucker) on their face and that's what it's really all about. I'll wheel wherever you stick me. We're all really in it to have some fun. Too many rules confuse me anyways.

 

[Craig S]

First draft of the street class, go ahead and work it over, what is good and what is bad?

1. Street Stock Class (licence and registration required)

1.1 Tires

Maximum tire size is 37", based on manufactures sidewall stamp. Two bonus points (-2) issued for each inch below 37" to a minimum of 33".

1.2 Steering

Street Stock class is limited to hydraulic assist of stock type components (hydraulic rams OK). Rear steer or full hydraulic steering is not allowed. Cross over steering acceptable.

1.3 Frame

1.3a Frames must be OEM, or aftermarket OEM design that meet stock specifications.

1.3b Frame rail modifications are not allowed, including cutting holes in the frame rails for custom brackets (except as allowed in 1.7 below). All bolt on or weld on custom brackets are permitted.

1.3c Body and frame type must match vehicle title.

1.3d Aftermarket replacement frames must be approved by PARK.

1.3e Custom cross members allowed.

1.3f Plating frame for strength is allowed.

1.3g Frames cannot be drilled or punched to lighten them.

1.4 Body
1.4a Full recognizable 4x4 bodies i.e. Jeep, Toyota, Ford, Chevrolet, I.H. etc., are required (two wheel drive conversions are not allowed). Some trimming of body allowed such as fenders and corner panels. Fenders may be trimmed under the area that would be covered by a factory or aftermarket fender flair or a maximum of 3”.

1.4b Tubbing of rear fender wells is not allowed, they must remain stock. Front fender wells may be omitted. All flooring and firewalls must be fully intact with the exception of the following:
1. The hump area directly over the transmission and transfer case which may be modified to accommodate aftermarket products or raising of stock components.

2. The floorboard may be cut or modified for clearance of rear shocks, fuel tanks and routing of fuel lines.

1.4c Body mounts may be modified as needed.

1.5 Radiator

Radiators must be in factory position and covered by the hood.

1.6 Seating

Vehicles must have two (2) seats side by side.

1.7 Suspension

1.7a Stock configuration suspension designs required. Example: leaf from factory, leaf for competition, IFS from factory, IFS for competition, coil/leaf from factory, coil/leaf for competition, etc.. Double shackle or coil over systems are allowed with a 5 point penalty.

1.7b No limitation on suspension attachment point measurements, but overall wheelbase MUST remain +- 3 inches of stock.

1.7c Manual or automatically controlled suspension systems that compensate ride height are not allowed. Front bumper mounted winches may be used as an adjustable limiting strap for the front axle.

1.7d Shackle reversal approved for leaf springs. Shackle hangers may use holes cut in the frame for leaf spring shackle bushings. Rear leaf springs mounted inside the frame are allowed (Frenched).

 

[Bart]

I like it. Craig, if you need any help, please let me know.