Let's talk about the Biden family problem.

Trate D

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I read 1984 last year just as a refresher on current events. It's not really conspiracy anymore, it's blatantly being done in the open. Jack Dorcey saying that he doesn't believe twitter has the ability to influence elections it a straight up FU to the American public. Makes me happy to have avoided the dumpster fire that is twitter.
Instagram has also had independent fact checkers checking political post also. As of yesterday they have blocked hash tags to prevent “false” Information being spread before the election. Anyone who can’t see a blatant attempt to suppress info and influence the election is on a different wave length.
 

glockman

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Instagram has also had independent fact checkers checking political post also. As of yesterday they have blocked hash tags to prevent “false” Information being spread before the election. Anyone who can’t see a blatant attempt to suppress info and influence the election is on a different wave length.
And regardless of your party affiliation, that should scare the hell out of you. I guess if your side owns the information, it would be less upsetting. I'm semi pacified by the fact that the side that owns the information owns almost none of the physical weapons. Maybe there is some balance of power.
 

Herzog

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LMAO. Wow that isn't conspiracy at all. 🤣.


I am not a Democrat and dislike most policies they put forth but come on. Wall Street, Bush/Cheney, Deep State all in bed with people who support the Democratic party? That is about as "conspiracy" as you can get.

If you want to argue how the Democratic platform's spending on social programs will bankrupt the country or how their supporting Pro-Choice is wrong because fetus' are people too....fine. that's a difference of opinion and is understandable....but to argue there is some conspiracy that involves people from the past 16 years until now is all somehow teaming up to conspire against Trump...that's just ridiculous.

This, right here is the problem with America. The "my side is right and you aren't on it so therefore you are a x" whether the x be racist, xenophobe, socialist, communist, fascist, etc. Why can't people just differing opinions and have different ideas on how to solve most of the problems facing America?

You're trying to debate me here on something you know little about. This isn't right vs left, this is good vs evil. Have you even looked into any of the information or do you just outright disregard it because it "sounds" ridiculous? You may way want to do some research for yourself.

Glen Greenwald is no idiot. Most of his fame comes from the Snowden files and breaking the leaks on the NSA. All that stuff was a "conspiracy theory" up until that point.
 

DAA

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I believe they're around 26M combined. And counting. About 11M of that from the campaigns themselves.

Chicken feed for a contested house seat. But record ground for Utah.

- DAA
 

Pike2350

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You're trying to debate me here on something you know little about. This isn't right vs left, this is good vs evil. Have you even looked into any of the information or do you just outright disregard it because it "sounds" ridiculous? You may way want to do some research for yourself.

Glen Greenwald is no idiot. Most of his fame comes from the Snowden files and breaking the leaks on the NSA. All that stuff was a "conspiracy theory" up until that point.
Not sure what you are getting out of it and what greater knowledge you have over me here...but I read the article and the critique email from the editor.

I don't disagree with him being pissed and crying foul about them not publishing his report....hiwever, also reading his article from his own post, he does go a long way to assert corruption and misgivings by JB when it all boils down to the POS Hunter. I don't know the facts and neither do you. You believe there is some massive, coordinated coverup going on about emails and transactions the HB was working on....yet can't believe Trump somehow had similar, questionable dealings with his foreign counterpart. The main difference is the actual Presidental nominee at the time vs. The son of a nominee.

Now where I find it funny is Greenwald asserting that it is a conjoined effort between Wall street, CIA, Bush/Cheney "operatives" that are conspiring. That is a conspiracy.

I have no doubt that Hunter and even suspect Biden himself may have been involved in these deals that are referneced in the emails. But, just like you feel Trump did nothing wrong, yet he had multiple advisors and connections convicted of illegal activities...I tend to think Biden himself did nothing illegal.

I very well be wrong. BUT. I HIGHLY DOUBT THERE IS SOME COORDINATED CONSPIRACY to keep business dealings under wraps by multiple parties from very different .gov agencies, enterprises, etc.
 
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jpest

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A vote for Biden is a vote for the left wing Extremist Kamala Harris as President. They’re not even hiding it anymore. Joe should be disqualified from the get go because of the overwhelming evidence of corruption. Just do a little research beyond your legacy media channels which won’t report on it and try to cover it up. But Joe Biden being compromised wont disqualify him because he’s Democrat and he has msm and big tech working overtime to help him over the line. If he gets there and doesn’t immediately resign, Nancy’s 25th Amendment will remove him because obviously he’s unfit.



Pretty easy to see this was the Dems plan for the Presidency throughout the fake Dem primaries. They set it up pretty nicely. Use washed up, but seasoned, Washington politician-Biden to win the old Democrat and Obama era vote, and have a socialist in waiting to win the AOC vote and take America to where they really want us. But Regardless of who dems have as President, their plan is still the same.



Harris is THE most leftist Candidate in the history of our union. She doesn’t even try to hide it. She quite simply despises our American way of life. She would do everything in her power to take our freedoms and make us socialist, she’s said so. The first target, as with all socialist governments, will be guns/2A. If Dems take the Presidency, take the senate and the keep the house she won’t have to use executive orders as she promised. They won’t rule out packing the Supreme Court and If they win all three branches they will fill it w leftist activist judges and they’ll move fast. Courts won’t have the ability to save our freedoms. 2A is just the start though. Can’t believe more people can’t see what’s going on here. Voting for Biden/Harris is a vote to give away freedom. CHALLENGE ME!



I have no say in other state senate and house races so there is no guarantees for me those branches won’t swing to the Democrats. The best way in my view is to vote Donald Trump into a 2nd term for checks and balances at the very least. HE’S THE ONLY CHOICE if you truly love America. Anyone that isn’t super left wing should realize this. We can’t waste our vote on 3rd party in the existing system. We can’t care about hurt feelings over what Trump says on certain matters. Voting based on a candidates personality traits in this election is absurd. I’m a proud father of three girls and love the fact that they have Donald Trump as an example to look up to as President.

This election is about staving off the global socialist agenda for at least 4 more years and saving our Republic.

I pray that November 3rd will bring a landslide victory for Trump so overwhelming that the Dems can’t contest and drag us into civil war. Please God!
 

mbryson

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A vote for Biden is a vote for the left wing Extremist Kamala Harris as President. They’re not even hiding it anymore. Joe should be disqualified from the get go because of the overwhelming evidence of corruption. Just do a little research beyond your legacy media channels which won’t report on it and try to cover it up. But Joe Biden being compromised wont disqualify him because he’s Democrat and he has msm and big tech working overtime to help him over the line. If he gets there and doesn’t immediately resign, Nancy’s 25th Amendment will remove him because obviously he’s unfit.



Pretty easy to see this was the Dems plan for the Presidency throughout the fake Dem primaries. They set it up pretty nicely. Use washed up, but seasoned, Washington politician-Biden to win the old Democrat and Obama era vote, and have a socialist in waiting to win the AOC vote and take America to where they really want us. But Regardless of who dems have as President, their plan is still the same.



Harris is THE most leftist Candidate in the history of our union. She doesn’t even try to hide it. She quite simply despises our American way of life. She would do everything in her power to take our freedoms and make us socialist, she’s said so. The first target, as with all socialist governments, will be guns/2A. If Dems take the Presidency, take the senate and the keep the house she won’t have to use executive orders as she promised. They won’t rule out packing the Supreme Court and If they win all three branches they will fill it w leftist activist judges and they’ll move fast. Courts won’t have the ability to save our freedoms. 2A is just the start though. Can’t believe more people can’t see what’s going on here. Voting for Biden/Harris is a vote to give away freedom. CHALLENGE ME!



I have no say in other state senate and house races so there is no guarantees for me those branches won’t swing to the Democrats. The best way in my view is to vote Donald Trump into a 2nd term for checks and balances at the very least. HE’S THE ONLY CHOICE if you truly love America. Anyone that isn’t super left wing should realize this. We can’t waste our vote on 3rd party in the existing system. We can’t care about hurt feelings over what Trump says on certain matters. Voting based on a candidates personality traits in this election is absurd. I’m a proud father of three girls and love the fact that they have Donald Trump as an example to look up to as President.

This election is about staving off the global socialist agenda for at least 4 more years and saving our Republic.

I pray that November 3rd will bring a landslide victory for Trump so overwhelming that the Dems can’t contest and drag us into civil war. Please God!

Pretty similar to my evaluation of the dems/Harris
 

Pike2350

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A vote for Biden is a vote for the left wing Extremist Kamala Harris as President. They’re not even hiding it anymore. Joe should be disqualified from the get go because of the overwhelming evidence of corruption. Just do a little research beyond your legacy media channels which won’t report on it and try to cover it up. But Joe Biden being compromised wont disqualify him because he’s Democrat and he has msm and big tech working overtime to help him over the line. If he gets there and doesn’t immediately resign, Nancy’s 25th Amendment will remove him because obviously he’s unfit.



Pretty easy to see this was the Dems plan for the Presidency throughout the fake Dem primaries. They set it up pretty nicely. Use washed up, but seasoned, Washington politician-Biden to win the old Democrat and Obama era vote, and have a socialist in waiting to win the AOC vote and take America to where they really want us. But Regardless of who dems have as President, their plan is still the same.



Harris is THE most leftist Candidate in the history of our union. She doesn’t even try to hide it. She quite simply despises our American way of life. She would do everything in her power to take our freedoms and make us socialist, she’s said so. The first target, as with all socialist governments, will be guns/2A. If Dems take the Presidency, take the senate and the keep the house she won’t have to use executive orders as she promised. They won’t rule out packing the Supreme Court and If they win all three branches they will fill it w leftist activist judges and they’ll move fast. Courts won’t have the ability to save our freedoms. 2A is just the start though. Can’t believe more people can’t see what’s going on here. Voting for Biden/Harris is a vote to give away freedom. CHALLENGE ME!



I have no say in other state senate and house races so there is no guarantees for me those branches won’t swing to the Democrats. The best way in my view is to vote Donald Trump into a 2nd term for checks and balances at the very least. HE’S THE ONLY CHOICE if you truly love America. Anyone that isn’t super left wing should realize this. We can’t waste our vote on 3rd party in the existing system. We can’t care about hurt feelings over what Trump says on certain matters. Voting based on a candidates personality traits in this election is absurd. I’m a proud father of three girls and love the fact that they have Donald Trump as an example to look up to as President.

This election is about staving off the global socialist agenda for at least 4 more years and saving our Republic.

I pray that November 3rd will bring a landslide victory for Trump so overwhelming that the Dems can’t contest and drag us into civil war. Please God!

You may be right, you may be wrong.... but man I hate how everyone seems to "know" what people are doing..and once again knows there is a conspiracy or epic proportions going on.

As for your assertion the the Dems are going to dismantle this country, isn't it possible that the too love this country and worry that Trump and Repiblicans are the ones destroying it? Why do both sides feel it is somehow this hatred of America and that the other side's goal is to destroy it? Yo u sound like you only ever get your news from right wing sources and are convinced the Dems have some puppet masters pulling major strings to get things to go their way.....yet they had the presidency for 8 years recently with a time of that also controlling other branches of the .gov.....not a whole lot was accomplished on their master plan.....so what happened? Did they get this plan and power in only the last 4 years?

As for packing the court..while it is possible if they take Congress as well...it is such a highly unlikely scenario and the Dems will get eaten alive in the following election if they did it. Hell FDR couldn't even do it when he tried. I guess it's a concern but so minor and so unlikely it seems ridiculous. It's almost like voting for Trump last election because of the Supreme Court nominees is now something you will HAVE to do for ever just to prevent the other side from packi ngf the court....which hasn't happened since the judge count became 9 over 150 years ago.

I am amazed at people's fear that somehow the federal .gov is going to do so much to destroy America. It makes me feel sad for you guys. Living in such fear and disdain for others.

Also, if you can really be proud that your daughters have Trump to look up to as president...you have problems. He's an absolute POS when it comes to women. A cheating, misogynist that tends to look at women's looks as their value. That's a great example for your daughters to think a "great man" is.
 

J Kimmel

Registered User
Bro its not living in fear, its not some conspiracy in my moms basement, its literally listening to what the Democrat party is actually openly saying and reading their platforms. They're not hiding it.

If the win our rights are going to significantly decrease. They've openly told us this.

You may be right, you may be wrong.... but man I hate how everyone seems to "know" what people are doing..and once again knows there is a conspiracy or epic proportions going on.

As for your assertion the the Dems are going to dismantle this country, isn't it possible that the too love this country and worry that Trump and Repiblicans are the ones destroying it? Why do both sides feel it is somehow this hatred of America and that the other side's goal is to destroy it? Yo u sound like you only ever get your news from right wing sources and are convinced the Dems have some puppet masters pulling major strings to get things to go their way.....yet they had the presidency for 8 years recently with a time of that also controlling other branches of the .gov.....not a whole lot was accomplished on their master plan.....so what happened? Did they get this plan and power in only the last 4 years?

As for packing the court..while it is possible if they take Congress as well...it is such a highly unlikely scenario and the Dems will get eaten alive in the following election if they did it. Hell FDR couldn't even do it when he tried. I guess it's a concern but so minor and so unlikely it seems ridiculous. It's almost like voting for Trump last election because of the Supreme Court nominees is now something you will HAVE to do for ever just to prevent the other side from packi ngf the court....which hasn't happened since the judge count became 9 over 150 years ago.

I am amazed at people's fear that somehow the federal .gov is going to do so much to destroy America. It makes me feel sad for you guys. Living in such fear and disdain for others.

Also, if you can really be proud that your daughters have Trump to look up to as president...you have problems. He's an absolute POS when it comes to women. A cheating, misogynist that tends to look at women's looks as their value. That's a great example for your daughters to think a "great man" is.
 

jpest

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I don’t know anything except for what they’ve told us plain and simple. This isn’t just a conspiracy anymore man, this is what they’re saying on your TV, even on those msm channels. I listen to all voices actually, my favorite radio station to listen to in the morning is NPR. I like to hear all sides of the story including the obviously biased side.

In the Obama era The Dems never had total control in the Senate. The filibuster has always been at 60 votes in the Senate. They got to 57 but never overcame that threshold. But now, Chuck Schumer is saying everything is on the table including eliminating the filibuster on passing laws and constitutional amendments. He said that. Not a conspiracy. I’d like to see the filibuster reenacted on votes to confirm judges as well. That’s another one the Dems effed up.

Ill note that you can’t say anything to the fact that the Dems are the ones that want to take freedoms away. They want to take your second amendment away. Do you have any argument for that? You don’t, because they’ve said it. The Republican party has not said it. It’s the same side that wants to take our roads and land away. Its not the right wing. It’s a slippery slope when you give a freedom like the Second Amendment away. Then they can take whatever else they want.

I believe in God, I believe in country and I believe in myself. I enjoy my American way life and I have no fear. But I do see this country is slipping away. And I hate government overreach. Again the Dems are the ones saying we need to eliminate the American way of life that’s not Trump. Just listen to AOC, listen to Omar. Listen to Nancy Pelosi who just said yesterday that she knows Joe Biden will be inaugurated no matter the final vote tally.

Lastly, I think you overstepped your boundaries a little bit saying I have “problems”because I’m proud of the fact that my daughters can look up to President Trump. Keep the personal insults to yourself. I’ve discussed matters with my daughters and what they’ve heard about President Trump and what he’s done in the past. But we’ve all come up short, we’ve all made mistakes in our lives. During his presidency he’s been a model citizen. I’ve seen him do nothing but fight for the USA. That’s what I want them to look for in a president.
 
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Noahfecks

El Destructo!
My opinion that the leftist doesn't love America is based on the fact that they want to disassemble and deviate from the constitution at every opportunity. The 1st amendment. the second amendment, taxation, privacy, the electoral college, co-equal branches of government.........

How can you say you love something if you want to change every single thing about it?

As for conspiracy, like others have said, we are simply taking the words of the left at face value. They want to add justices because they didn't get their way, they want to add states to make sure they have a super majority in the electoral college, they want to end the filibuster so that a simple majority can execute on mob rule, they want to move forward on the totally insane green new deal, they want to..........

Hard to say it's a conspiracy when it's right fro the horses mouth.
 

Kevin B.

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A lot of this comes down to if people believe that the constitution is a "live" or "dead" document.

Biden has been on both sides of this, so I am not sure where he stands.

I don't think Biden knows where he stands on that sort of thing, except to stand wherever he thinks he'll get more votes.

This is why I like guys like Bernie. I may disagree with a lot of his agenda, but I trust him to have an agenda and to stick to it.
 

Houndoc

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I still have to laugh at the Trump crowd focusing on corruption. Seems like the last thing they would want to do. Keep focused on policy and the false idea that honesty and integrity don't matter.
 
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