Let's talk about the Biden family problem.

Herzog

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Hunter Biden – in an audio file labelled “Most Genius Shit Ever” – appears to be referencing Patrick Ho, who was a former Secretary for Home Affairs in Hong Kong, as a “spy chief of China” while lamenting how his business partner Ye Jianming of CEFC China Energy had disappeared.

Ho was also involved in the CEFC venture, as originally reported by the New York Post and suppressed by the media and Big Tech firms.

The audio breaks the mainstream media’s narrative that the hard drive is somehow “fake” or does not implicate Hunter or Joe Biden in criminal investigations and/or business deals with the Chinese Communist Party.
 

anderson750

I'm working on it Rose
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Price, Utah
Nothing to see here.......just move on.
 

johngottfredson

Threat Level Midnight
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Alpine
I appreciate your view and you taking the time to type that out. The one thing I'd rebut with is the fact that the democrat media machine is what has actually stoked most of the doom and gloom. The media is responsible for the "He's never wrong", fear and anger. If you don't believe me, which side is it that's burning down buildings? Which side is it that organizes actually peacefully? You have thousands show up armed at state capitols to show their support for the Constitution and nothing bad happens. You then have the media inflate an issue with a guy on fentynal and you have buildings burn and people kicked to the curb. Which is it? Did Trump do that? I don't think so man...

He hasn't made me angry at all. Most of everybody I talk to who supports Trump are very kind and intelligent people who just want their country to succeed. None of them are racist. Which side is trying to fan that flame again?

What he has done is show me that there are people in high places that are willing to sell out the American people for profits and evil deeds.
He's shown me that America has been sold out the China over the years. If that's not obvious, take a look at everything in your house. Where was it made?
He's shown me that the establishment is even more corrupt that I originally thought. These politicians are all blackmailed and are playing by a script. I'm kind of astonished that most people can't see this now.

Anyhow, good. I'm glad the image of the Republican party is changing, because for the last couple decades the party has just been there to help shift the Overton Window for the Democrats. "We don't support XYZ but we won't do anything about it".... few years later: "We support XYZ". It's been damn shame. Republicans have had zero backbone for far too long. But that's because of bunch of them are blackmailed too. What do you think Epstein's role in this world really was? Time to pull out that conspiracy theorist card I guess.

Biden/Harris and the democrats are bad for America. Old establishment politicians of both parties are bad for America. Basically, big bloated federal control is the problem, and the only bipartisan thing in DC is both parties like big government, but just in different ways. It is BECAUSE I believe that a reformed, principled Republican-type party is the only long term way to combat socialism that Trumpism needs to be eradicated as quickly as possible. If I have to take a loss for a few years that's the price we have to pay for past sins.

The real blame here lies with the libertarian party for being too high to get it together and give us a realistic third option
 

rholbrook

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It blows my mind how much wealth that these public servants and their families can amass. Absolutely crazy. If Trump wins, I wouldn't be surprised if his daughter runs next. I think Romney will run again or at least go for the republican nomination. You don't think his actions for voting to impeach Trump and his declaring that he didn't vote for Trump wasn't politically motivated? I would love to vote for someone other than Biden or Trump but its a vote thrown away. A Libertarian will never win the presidency so why throw away the vote. I am voting purely for the party and not for the idiot. I believe that if Pelosi goes away, so does a lot of problems. That woman is evil.
 
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Pike2350

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What he has done is show me that there are people in high places that are willing to sell out the American people for profits and evil deeds.
He's shown me that America has been sold out the China over the years. If that's not obvious, take a look at everything in your house. Where was it made?

This is not due to politics or politicians for the most part. This is economics and globalization. The US is VERY consumption driven. Most things made in China has WAY more to do with the American people demanding more and more "things" and at the lowest possible price. China filled that role well. Heck many 3rd world countries fill that void...but none greater then China.

I blame most of the loss of manufacturing loss in US has more to do with businesses trying to maintain profits and margins when Americans demand so much....with wage and benefits, etc.

The last thing I find interesting is how so many Trump supporters point to Biden and mostly his son but don't seem to think Trump himself isn't likely a criminal in his own right. I honestly think more will come out about Trump and much wrong doing. I dont buy the BS russian election interference mess...but I have pretty strong beliefs he is a shady, criminal in his own right.
 

anderson750

I'm working on it Rose
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The last thing I find interesting is how so many Trump supporters point to Biden and mostly his son but don't seem to think Trump himself isn't likely a criminal in his own right. I honestly think more will come out about Trump and much wrong doing. I dont buy the BS russian election interference mess...but I have pretty strong beliefs he is a shady, criminal in his own right.
As a business mogul, I am sure trump has used every inch of a law that has been created to his favor. Isn't that just the nature of our capitalistic society? I know I use every possible tax advantage I can for my business and me personally. You can't call people shady for using every inch of a law to their advantage. Sure it is something that the average American can't do as a W-2 worker but it does not make it criminal. People will shout about his business losses that prevented him from paying taxes but is he not living in the world of tax laws that were written by the crooks in DC? If the Democrats want to scream about it, maybe they should change the laws......oh, but that might upset their supporters. Politicians are the ultimate at being 2 faced hypocrites.

He has admitted to playing the dirty game of doing real estate development in NYC. Is he the corrupt one for playing the game, or are the unions and other entities that have created the corrupt playing field to blame?

I do not put this in the same category as Biden's son using his dads position to pedal influence to enemies of our country. Now I am not saying that Biden is the only politician doing it, there are plenty on each side doing it. Is it legal.......it probably all depends on how they did it and how well they covered up their tracks. Leaving a laptop with tons of incriminating evidence as to how shady your dealings are is not doing a good job.


Time will tell.
 

Pike2350

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As a business mogul, I am sure trump has used every inch of a law that has been created to his favor. Isn't that just the nature of our capitalistic society? I know I use every possible tax advantage I can for my business and me personally. You can't call people shady for using every inch of a law to their advantage. Sure it is something that the average American can't do as a W-2 worker but it does not make it criminal. People will shout about his business losses that prevented him from paying taxes but is he not living in the world of tax laws that were written by the crooks in DC? If the Democrats want to scream about it, maybe they should change the laws......oh, but that might upset their supporters. Politicians are the ultimate at being 2 faced hypocrites.

He has admitted to playing the dirty game of doing real estate development in NYC. Is he the corrupt one for playing the game, or are the unions and other entities that have created the corrupt playing field to blame?

I do not put this in the same category as Biden's son using his dads position to pedal influence to enemies of our country. Now I am not saying that Biden is the only politician doing it, there are plenty on each side doing it. Is it legal.......it probably all depends on how they did it and how well they covered up their tracks. Leaving a laptop with tons of incriminating evidence as to how shady your dealings are is not doing a good job.


Time will tell.
I'm not talking about Trump's business dealings re-election. I understand he used the laws to his advantage...however I'm sure he bent the rules pretty substantially in the past as well. I do feel he's pushed limits and likely done illegal activity while in office.

Maybe it isn't illegal, maybe it is. I'm guessing it may be one of those things that comes out later..I am not sure...but I find it very unethical that he was constantly having the Secret Service stay at his hotels and properties while conducting .gov business. His family is claiming various resorts as "homes" I find that shady. I'm guessing much more incidents will come out about how he directed funds to his private enterprise...which is very shady
 

anderson750

I'm working on it Rose
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Price, Utah
If you did not catch the Tucker Carlson interview just now with Bobilinski be sure to go find it. It will shake you to the core the level of corruption that is going on. What scares me more is I think this is the norm in DC
 

Noahfecks

El Destructo!
That people who question Trumps moral code would in turn vote for Robinette is laughable. For the last 5 years he has endured a waponized justice system hell bent on finding some sort of corruption, only to come up without a single prosecutable charge. I will admit the guy is no boy scout but come on, there just was nothing there. That you would say,"I'm voting for Harris because their ticket is more moral and law abiding" is like wiping your ass before you shit, it just doesn't make any sense. Just admit it, you have a totally irrational hatred of Trump not based on fact.

No one said your vote had to be based on logic, just admit to yourself that it isn't, you're not fooling anyone else.
 
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