Political So now what

[mbryson]

I guess the question becomes how are the cars getting their data back to the mothership?
Are they using your cell phone connection? Standalone data connection via cell? something else?
some light reading:

Your car is watching you. Who owns the data? - Roll Call

If you’re driving a late model car or truck, chances are that the vehicle is mostly computers on wheels, collecting and wirelessly transmitting vast quantities of data to the car manufacturer not just on vehicle performance but personal information, too, such as your weight, the restaurants you...

rollcall.com

I don't think my car needs a monthly subscription for data...

It's the same satellite tech that OnStar works on

 

[Hickey]

Here is all the creepy shiz the Ram app will do
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The Ford Pass app does all of that as well.

 

[TRD270]

Wonder what the repercussions would be operationally if you disconnected the antenna

 

[UNSTUCK]

My truck has been telling me to change my oil for two weeks now. How much longer before they void my warranty?

 

[Hickey]

My truck has been telling me to change my oil for two weeks now. How much longer before they void my warranty?

Tell your truck that it's been changed.

 

[nnnnnate]

Happy to report that with my taxes now submitted and taking the full monthly child payments last year I still get a little refund. There was no funny stuff or landmines in the return that made me regret my decision to accept the payments. All it took was a few minutes of reading and understanding what my tax withholding situation was last year and I was confident I wouldn't have any unnecessary trouble.

 

[Herzog]

 

[Cody]

Laser sharks? Keep talking...

 

[jackjoh]

Speaking of oil and change, this might be the next signal that the Saudis (or OPEC in general) are going to move away from the petrodollar (USD) to Yuan. Both are mega inflated but USD is debt laden and Yuan is production oriented.

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The Chinese are finishing a refinery out there and once completed, part of the deal is that this refinery accept its payments in Yuan.

If we were self sufficient it would not matter.

 

[TRD270]

If we were self sufficient it would not matter.

Why do that when we can send billions overseas for overpriced crude, and make local green technology companies owners happy to keep those agenda dollars flowing to the politicians who "care" about their bank account I mean environment.

 

[Cody]

If we were self sufficient it would not matter.

On a less macro level, if you were self sufficient it would not matter.

Point is, modern countries are no more able to be self sufficient than modern households. It would take the entire population accepting drastically lower standards of living to achieve. I suspect civilization isn't ready for that step quite yet.

 

[Pike2350]

On a less macro level, if you were self sufficient it would not matter.

Point is, modern countries are no more able to be self sufficient than modern households. It would take the entire population accepting drastically lower standards of living to achieve. I suspect civilization isn't ready for that step quite yet.

Shhhh. People aren't ready for that truth....on either side.

Neither side ultimately would accept the change in lifestyle their political beliefs would most likely entail.

Democrats wouldn't accept the necessary tax rates needed to aupport their social programs. When most hear that marginal tax rates in their socialist utopian example countries(nordic countries) is 40%+. They always want someone else to pay for it.
Republicans wouldn't accept the crime and higher prices that would ultimately come from stronger immigration, less social programs. Take away many social programs and the poverty stricken are not going to just get a job supporting themselves. Property crime would rise drastically. Many jobs that are filled by illegal immigrants would have to raise wages to get Americans to work them. Bringing manufacturing back to America would increase the cost of most things. Most would claim they would pay for it, untl it truly came to actually doing it.

Neither side lives in reality about what their ideals really entail. Sure eventually the markets would stabilize and people would accept the new norm.....but the interim would not be acceptable to either side to get what they want.

 

[SoopaHick]

Shhhh. People aren't ready for that truth....on either side.

Neither side ultimately would accept the change in lifestyle their political beliefs would most likely entail.

Democrats wouldn't accept the necessary tax rates needed to aupport their social programs. When most hear that marginal tax rates in their socialist utopian example countries(nordic countries) is 40%+. They always want someone else to pay for it.
Republicans wouldn't accept the crime and higher prices that would ultimately come from stronger immigration, less social programs. Take away many social programs and the poverty stricken are not going to just get a job supporting themselves. Property crime would rise drastically. Many jobs that are filled by illegal immigrants would have to raise wages to get Americans to work them. Bringing manufacturing back to America would increase the cost of most things. Most would claim they would pay for it, untl it truly came to actually doing it.

Neither side lives in reality about what their ideals really entail. Sure eventually the markets would stabilize and people would accept the new norm.....but the interim would not be acceptable to either side to get what they want.

Wait... so you're trying to say that both parties at their extreme wouldn't work?!?! That each party has its flaws?!?!

And that the country would actually be at its best if both sides could work together?

That feels illegal and frankly I'm uncomfortable with your statement.

 

[Spork]

For some reason I felt a lighten the mood cross over is needed...

 

[bryson]

 

[Kevin B.]

Most would claim they would pay for it, untl it truly came to actually doing it.

Right. And we know that because we're not doing it now. We're not insisting on Made In USA, and when it's available we're generally opting for the cheaper stuff anyway.

 

[jackjoh]

On a less macro level, if you were self sufficient it would not matter.

Point is, modern countries are no more able to be self sufficient than modern households. It would take the entire population accepting drastically lower standards of living to achieve. I suspect civilization isn't ready for that step quite yet.

My wife and I just had average jobs but we bought our homes and now rent them out and with SS we are self-sufficient but we gave up a lot by being frugal in what some people call our fun days These are our fun days.

 

[Cody]

My wife and I just had average jobs but we bought our homes and now rent them out and with SS we are self-sufficient but we gave up a lot by being frugal in what some people call our fun days These are our fun days.

Do you grow your own corn? Raise your own chickens? Generate your own electricity? Sounds like you're relying on a financial system outside of your household to sustain yourself too, unless 'SS' is the brand of shoebox you've used to squirrel away money all these years. You are relying upon the cost efficiencies (it's called "efficiencies of scale") of people and producers outside of your own home to make your "frugal" lifestyle a possibility.

Think of the US as a household. Even a country and economy the size of ours can't be self sufficient without massive changes to our every day life. What you think is frugal, would feel like luxury compared with what life would be totally isolated from the world. It's not to say people can't live that way and be perfectly happy, most of the world lives happily off of far less than what we consider "frugal" in the United States. Pecuniary emulation has created a toxic expectation of what "needs" are vs "wants".

The reality is we are part of a globalized economy now where different parts of the world provide goods and services to other parts of the world that aren't as efficient at them (or don't have them). We haven't been a manufacturing based economy for any part of my lifetime, and I'm in my 40's. I have a hard time believing you'd get a large portion of the population to put down their cushy desk jobs to pick up a shovel and go do hard work every day so that they can go home and enjoy 10% of the luxuries and comforts they have now just so their country can be "self sufficient".

I'm glad you're now able to get out and enjoy all the things you gave up in your earlier years, and I'm also glad that sacrifice is paying off for you. But our country is no more capable of being "self sufficient" as you are, or I am, or either of us are able to be pregnant.

 

[jackjoh]

Do you grow your own corn? Raise your own chickens? Generate your own electricity? Sounds like you're relying on a financial system outside of your household to sustain yourself too, unless 'SS' is the brand of shoebox you've used to squirrel away money all these years. You are relying upon the cost efficiencies (it's called "efficiencies of scale") of people and producers outside of your own home to make your "frugal" lifestyle a possibility.

Think of the US as a household. Even a country and economy the size of ours can't be self sufficient without massive changes to our every day life. What you think is frugal, would feel like luxury compared with what life would be totally isolated from the world. It's not to say people can't live that way and be perfectly happy, most of the world lives happily off of far less than what we consider "frugal" in the United States. Pecuniary emulation has created a toxic expectation of what "needs" are vs "wants".

The reality is we are part of a globalized economy now where different parts of the world provide goods and services to other parts of the world that aren't as efficient at them (or don't have them). We haven't been a manufacturing based economy for any part of my lifetime, and I'm in my 40's. I have a hard time believing you'd get a large portion of the population to put down their cushy desk jobs to pick up a shovel and go do hard work every day so that they can go home and enjoy 10% of the luxuries and comforts they have now just so their country can be "self sufficient".

I'm glad you're now able to get out and enjoy all the things you gave up in your earlier years, and I'm also glad that sacrifice is paying off for you. But our country is no more capable of being "self sufficient" as you are, or I am, or either of us are able to be pregnant.

I am confused. Are you saying it is wrong or impossible to be frugal. I admit that raising fruits and vegetables is still a hobby and we have our years food storage and have had it for over 40 years. I think you are saying that people today do not have the strength to save for tomorrow and enjoy being supported by friends, family and the government which of course makes them slaves.
And of course SS is not the Nazi variety but the government variety of Social Security.

 

[Cody]

I am confused. Are you saying it is wrong or impossible to be frugal.

I'm just saying it's no easier for the US to be self sufficient, than it is for you or I to be self sufficient. You and I are dependent on people outside of our home to supply us with goods and services just like the US is dependent upon other economies to provide it with goods and services.

Being frugal isn't hard. Shit, I haven't been paid in 3 years, I make things stretch. Being frugal isn't the same as being self sufficient, and if the US were to be self sufficient like you propose, your frugal way of life would seem like the lifestyle of the rich and the famous compared to what your new reality would be.