Ryan
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- Pleasant Grove, UT
Okay, this is sort of a spillover from a post in the Wanted forum.
Take in to consideration that I've only been researching this for a few days, and prior to that, I knew absolutely nothing about sami's and trac/kicks, and hadn't really looked too serious at the Toyota option.
I have a lot of ideas floating around in my head, but the overall idea is for a dedicated competition vehicle for Legend Class, which means I will have to retain the stock frame and body panels(skins at least).
The best option I have come up with so far is to build a Sami on Toy axles and 35's, with mostly sidekick drivetrain. Hack the body as much as possible and tube the rest for weight reduction. The end goal being a lightweight vehicle that is stable, yet narrow enough to shoot the cones without much problem, and a wheelbase of around 100" for the steep climbs.
I'd like to have this running and ready for UROC 2003, so I don't have a lot of time to start from the ground up(nor do I have the money to start from the ground up
).
I've already decided on coils for suspension. I have quite a few different drivetrain configurations in mind, but I'm lacking knowledge about the stock Sami motor.
Taking into consideration that crawl is good, but I've got to be able to roast the tires sometimes(AND the fact that I don't have much experiece wheelin' with a small motor and deep gearing), I have the following questions:
Is the stock Sami 1.3L even worth messing with?
I'm thinking I'll have to swap in a 1.6L to even be viable in competition, although I've heard otherwise from a few people.
With a 1.3L EFI, I'm wondering if I'll have to be 200:1 to really get anywhere.
I'm considering the 1.3L only because I'm looking to cut time and hassle, and if it will work, well...
This is what has made me wonder about starting with a trac/kick. I'd have the 1.6L to start with, and I could just run a divorced toy case or two behind the trac/kick t-case. The IFS isn't a problem because I'll be hacking the suspension anyway. That setup would SERIOUSLY cut the buildup time.
Right now I'm also considering buying a semi-built sami, and putting a little time into it, rather than start with a stock sami. This would only be for time reasons.
Time seems to keep popping up as a consideration, LOL. Not only is there not much time before UROC 2003, but I just flat out don't have much time to work on anything.
As far as the Toyota idea goes, I've considered starting with a toy pickup, and possibly narrowing the body. I could use all the toy drivetrain and axles, and possibly go coils. The only real hangup I can see is that I won't be able to hack off the frame, so unless I maintain a waaaaay long wheelbase, approach and departure angle are going to suck. It's possible that I could cut a foot or so off of the stock frame, but I'll have to call Craig and chat with him about it.
Anyway, I've tried to give the big picture, but there's a billion details I've left out. So, if this makes any sense at all----anybody got any input?
Take in to consideration that I've only been researching this for a few days, and prior to that, I knew absolutely nothing about sami's and trac/kicks, and hadn't really looked too serious at the Toyota option.
I have a lot of ideas floating around in my head, but the overall idea is for a dedicated competition vehicle for Legend Class, which means I will have to retain the stock frame and body panels(skins at least).
The best option I have come up with so far is to build a Sami on Toy axles and 35's, with mostly sidekick drivetrain. Hack the body as much as possible and tube the rest for weight reduction. The end goal being a lightweight vehicle that is stable, yet narrow enough to shoot the cones without much problem, and a wheelbase of around 100" for the steep climbs.
I'd like to have this running and ready for UROC 2003, so I don't have a lot of time to start from the ground up(nor do I have the money to start from the ground up
).I've already decided on coils for suspension. I have quite a few different drivetrain configurations in mind, but I'm lacking knowledge about the stock Sami motor.
Taking into consideration that crawl is good, but I've got to be able to roast the tires sometimes(AND the fact that I don't have much experiece wheelin' with a small motor and deep gearing), I have the following questions:
Is the stock Sami 1.3L even worth messing with?
I'm thinking I'll have to swap in a 1.6L to even be viable in competition, although I've heard otherwise from a few people.
With a 1.3L EFI, I'm wondering if I'll have to be 200:1 to really get anywhere.
I'm considering the 1.3L only because I'm looking to cut time and hassle, and if it will work, well...
This is what has made me wonder about starting with a trac/kick. I'd have the 1.6L to start with, and I could just run a divorced toy case or two behind the trac/kick t-case. The IFS isn't a problem because I'll be hacking the suspension anyway. That setup would SERIOUSLY cut the buildup time.
Right now I'm also considering buying a semi-built sami, and putting a little time into it, rather than start with a stock sami. This would only be for time reasons.
Time seems to keep popping up as a consideration, LOL. Not only is there not much time before UROC 2003, but I just flat out don't have much time to work on anything.
As far as the Toyota idea goes, I've considered starting with a toy pickup, and possibly narrowing the body. I could use all the toy drivetrain and axles, and possibly go coils. The only real hangup I can see is that I won't be able to hack off the frame, so unless I maintain a waaaaay long wheelbase, approach and departure angle are going to suck. It's possible that I could cut a foot or so off of the stock frame, but I'll have to call Craig and chat with him about it.
Anyway, I've tried to give the big picture, but there's a billion details I've left out. So, if this makes any sense at all----anybody got any input?
